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flashfire926 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I guess the question now is: with the internet changing culture so much, is internet revisionism going to end up changing the actual opinions of the mainstream?

Cause I can say with 100% confidence Fallout New Vegas was NOT the most beloved Fallout game, that was Fallout 3.

Honestly if we talk about the mainstream alone than I have no doubt the most beloved Fallout game was actually 4.

The divisiveness of the that game only exists in the hardcore bubble I highly suspect. Outside that it was reviewed positively and did ridiculous sales numbers.

Hm, I'd disagree there. I think Fallout 3 gets a credit for being people's first Western RPG that, oddly enough, games like Oblivion don't really get anymore (probably because it was replaced so quickly by a "mainline" game and sold slightly less). Fallout 4's critic reviews are quite a bit lower than Fallout 3's too, and I think that Fallout 4 was one of the first times where the casual fanbase actually complained about "casualization" in a mainstream game. 

Then again, casual fans are still fans and not just casuals in general. In that respect it's a hard comparison anyways, Fallout 4 sold so much and it's audience is so expanded compared to 3's! 



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
flashfire926 said:

Honestly if we talk about the mainstream alone than I have no doubt the most beloved Fallout game was actually 4.

The divisiveness of the that game only exists in the hardcore bubble I highly suspect. Outside that it was reviewed positively and did ridiculous sales numbers.

Hm, I'd disagree there. I think Fallout 3 gets a credit for being people's first Western RPG that, oddly enough, games like Oblivion don't really get anymore (probably because it was replaced so quickly by a "mainline" game and sold slightly less). Fallout 4's critic reviews are quite a bit lower than Fallout 3's too, and I think that Fallout 4 was one of the first times where the casual fanbase actually complained about "casualization" in a mainstream game. 

Then again, casual fans are still fans and not just casuals in general. In that respect it's a hard comparison anyways, Fallout 4 sold so much and it's audience is so expanded compared to 3's! 

Fair points, and I get where you're coming from

Though about critic scores, despite F4 scoring a few points lower, 87/88 is nothing to scoff at. Just recently Spiderman got an 87. Farcry 5 got 81. These are games that casuals (or casual fans, as you say), absolutely ate up.

On Xbox's "most played" charts , the game is still regularly in there, despite being three year old single player game (for comparison it's above sea of thieves right now which is gaas game with 5 million players, and designed specifically to keep players playing for a long time, as Fallout 4 isnt. Gears 4 and Halo 5 are lower too). The game appears on and off in UK's sales charts too. The game of the year edition that came out summer of last year still retails at the full fat 60 bucks after a year and a half.

When a single player game has this much legs, I think we can conclude that a lot of people really like the game.

Though this is just my viewpoint. I think you have a good argument too.

 

 



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flashfire926 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Hm, I'd disagree there. I think Fallout 3 gets a credit for being people's first Western RPG that, oddly enough, games like Oblivion don't really get anymore (probably because it was replaced so quickly by a "mainline" game and sold slightly less). Fallout 4's critic reviews are quite a bit lower than Fallout 3's too, and I think that Fallout 4 was one of the first times where the casual fanbase actually complained about "casualization" in a mainstream game. 

Then again, casual fans are still fans and not just casuals in general. In that respect it's a hard comparison anyways, Fallout 4 sold so much and it's audience is so expanded compared to 3's! 

Fair points, and I get where you're coming from

Though about critic scores, despite F4 scoring a few points lower, 87/88 is nothing to scoff at. Just recently Spiderman got an 87. Farcry 5 got 81. These are games that casuals (or casual fans, as you say), absolutely ate up.

On Xbox's "most played" charts , the game is still regularly in there, despite being three year old single player game (for comparison it's above sea of thieves right now which is gaas game with 5 million players, and designed specifically to keep players playing for a long time, as Fallout 4 isnt. Gears 4 and Halo 5 are lower too). The game appears on and off in UK's sales charts too. The game of the year edition that came out summer of last year still retails at the full fat 60 bucks after a year and a half.

When a single player game has this much legs, I think we can conclude that a lot of people really like the game.

Though this is just my viewpoint. I think you have a good argument too.

 

 

Ah, fairs fair  

It's a little ridiculous, like I said, of a comparison anyways. I was trying to reply to a tweet or post someone linked about how Fallout New Vegas is now most likely the most beloved game in the series so the Obsidian acquisition is a big deal? I can't seem to find it as I write this post with ctrl f ... that's odd. But yeah, when you're talking about a franchise as big as Fallout, figuring out the most beloved game is kind of a hard task.   

I mean ... at least you could argue Fallout New Vegas and 3 have a bit of a similar audience and even their reach was surprisingly close considering New Vegas was a "spin-off". 4 is just so much more massive than 3 .... and like you said, it's constantly selling. It's much more fair to say people continually like that, because it's sales are consistent, versus a game that just sells a lot and then gets panned, as you say . Plus, it's basically the Skyrim of this generation. Those sales don't lie. 



It's bizarre how popular Fallout 4 is and because of it (oh and 76 of course) I don't have much hope for the series anymore. But then again, mainstream and popularity doesn't always mean quality. That sad excuse of a story.. just... geez..

After this Fallout 76 reviewers wouldn't give Fallout 4 a free pass with all its shortcomings and it wouldn't even reach 80.



KiigelHeart said:
It's bizarre how popular Fallout 4 is and because of it (oh and 76 of course) I don't have much hope for the series anymore. But then again, mainstream and popularity doesn't always mean quality. That sad excuse of a story.. just... geez..

After this Fallout 76 reviewers wouldn't give Fallout 4 a free pass with all its shortcomings and it wouldn't even reach 80.

Quality can be very subjective obviously but for me, Fallout 4 is by far the best of all.

I love the Fallout franchise and played it from the start (including the tactics) and while Fallout 76 is disappointing (still spending a lot of time playing it ); I was hoping for it to become one of the best game of the series knowing that it was so closely tied to Fallout 4 engine... But well... Some choices from Behesda did not make it happen, starting with the weird no-NPC thing :(



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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I guess the question now is: with the internet changing culture so much, is internet revisionism going to end up changing the actual opinions of the mainstream?

Cause I can say with 100% confidence Fallout New Vegas was NOT the most beloved Fallout game, that was Fallout 3.

Yeah, I 100% agree, Fallout 3 was definitely better than Fallout: New Vegas. Obsidian made some improvements on the gameplay side compared to Fallout 3, such as better shooting mechanics and the addition of the survival mode for those that like that. But Fallout: New Vegas was a buggy mess due to being rushed, people frequently hate on Bethesda games for being buggy, but New Vegas is the only Bethesda game to date where I have encountered significant bugs, and I played New Vegas about a year or 2 after it released. I have played all of the other Fallout and Elder Scrolls games since 2006's Oblivion at release and still encountered less significant bugs than I encountered in New Vegas a year or more after release, new Vegas literally had enemies walking through the air in some spots of the map. Also, the Mojave Wasteland was kind of a boring setting imo, as someone who has been to DC several times in my life, I found DC in Fallout 3 to be a much more interesting setting. I also find the Appalachia setting in 76 to be more interesting than the Mojave Wasteland, because I live very close to the West Virginia border and am technically still in Appalachia myself, so it really reminds me of home while playing it. Boston in Fallout 4 was also more interesting than the Mojave wasteland for me. 

It seems like just because they suddenly hate Bethesda Game Studios now after Fallout 76, people are going back and saying that Bethesda has never made a good Fallout game, which just isn't true, 3 was excellent and 4 was still very good. Even 76 isn't half as bad as people are making it out to be, I am still enjoying it. 

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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
I guess the question now is: with the internet changing culture so much, is internet revisionism going to end up changing the actual opinions of the mainstream?

Cause I can say with 100% confidence Fallout New Vegas was NOT the most beloved Fallout game, that was Fallout 3.

To answer your question, I have seen that revisionism happen with Star Wars recently. When the Star Wars prequels were releasing, the general opinion on the internet was that they were bad. But, now that Episode 8 came out and many Star Wars fans absolutely hated it, alot of people have been going back and rewatching the prequels and are realizing that they're not actually all that bad afterall, and a far cry better than Episode 8. As someone who liked the Star Wars prequels all along, I think it is nice to see that the internet's opinion of them is finally changing. 



Fallout 3 was a very good game, I've finished it 3 times at least. They even fixed that original ending with DLC. I personally found DC to be a bit boring setting and the map felt empty and bleak. DC was just dark tunnels full of Super Mutants.

I loved the Mojave setting though. Actually me and my wife spent our honeymoon in LA so we could drive around Nevada for couple of days and visit Vegas and other places from New Vegas 🙂 Not that interested in visiting DC or Boston.

New Vegas had some bugs, some game breaking ones at launch too but I still think I experienced more of them in Fallout 4. 4 also had some serious issues with fps dips.

I hope 76 is added to game pass, I'd definitely give it a chance. I've read and heard many saying it has potential and it's better than 4. I don't mind there's no NPC's. It might actually feel like a wasteland again.



Fallout 3 was my GotG last gen. New Vegas was also very fun but nowhere near Fallout 3.
I also agree that it was the buggiest out of them all. It had several game breaking bugs that were never fixed and lead to multiple quests being impossible to complete.