Yes I do play games with friends, and I have multiple controllers (I actually have between two to four controllers for every console i own - depending on where it is in the house), I dont see your point. Controller runs out of power, get another controller, plug controller without power into console to charge. How is that any more difficult than "hold on, need to replace the batteries". You could complain about the cost of needing multiple controllers, I would accept that as a valid point as they are fairly expensive, but if you play with friends alot, then it makes sense to buy more controllers, thats the cost of wanting to play with lots of people.

But for me I hate external rechargable batteries, more bits you need hanging around your house cluttering it up.

Hardly anyone I know would champion the benefits of having to use external batteries and having to plug in a external hard disk. That is poor manufacturing design.

One little thing about the external HD, this is one of the issues I had with the MS marketting of the XBO, the XBO was "The only machine you'll need" was part of their strategy, unless you needed a bigger HD, or connecting it to a set top box etc.. it was so badly designed/thought about in the first place.

by removing industry standards in devices such as a built in recharable battery and a 3.5mm headphone jack, charging extra to give you them as a peripheral isnt anti consumer now? its a clear cash grab dude, and instead if attatcking me personally, keep it about the topic shall we? 

I like having an External HD. It doesn't clutter anything up since its just right next to the Xbox. And if something happens where I want a new slim Xbox and I sell my old one I don't ever have to waste time re-downloading a bunch of stuff. I just plug it into any Xbox and there are my games. Its way easier than bringing over a bunch of game cases to a friend's too.

Rechargeable batteries are pretty much the same type of situation that you stated with your extra controllers. I keep some batteries charged up and if the ones I'm using get low, I change em out and put the low ones on the charger. 

Wait cash grab? Are you saying batteries are own by Microsoft? You could buy a rechargeable battery at your local supermarket like I have. It only cost like $20 like I paid for mine a year ago. How did my last statement consider an attack on you? I didn't call you a "troll" or a "fanboy" or anything like that so don't assume things.

Yes I do play games with friends, and I have multiple controllers (I actually have between two to four controllers for every console i own - depending on where it is in the house), I dont see your point. Controller runs out of power, get another controller, plug controller without power into console to charge. How is that any more difficult than "hold on, need to replace the batteries". You could complain about the cost of needing multiple controllers, I would accept that as a valid point as they are fairly expensive, but if you play with friends alot, then it makes sense to buy more controllers, thats the cost of wanting to play with lots of people.

But for me I hate external rechargable batteries, more bits you need hanging around your house cluttering it up.

Hardly anyone I know would champion the benefits of having to use external batteries and having to plug in a external hard disk. That is poor manufacturing design.

One little thing about the external HD, this is one of the issues I had with the MS marketting of the XBO, the XBO was "The only machine you'll need" was part of their strategy, unless you needed a bigger HD, or connecting it to a set top box etc.. it was so badly designed/thought about in the first place.

if you dont see it, i can't help you
but at least the marketing works really well on guys like you

if you have 4 controller and play with 3 friends (that makes 4 person)
and one is running out of power. what do you do? you can't change your controller unlesses you have a fith one.
and if 2 run out the same time, you need at least 6 ones

so you have to play with a cable attached


and the batterie life of the ps4 controller is still horrible compared to eneloops

I'm afraid the only one not seeing it is you. I dont play hours and hours with lots of players... I prefer single player, but when i do play with other people its not usually more for than 2-3 hours, because i have other things to do in my life.

And please stop with the stealth trolling with "but at least the marketing works really well on guys like you"... I mean what does that even mean, you dont know me or my preferences. I can only assume with comments like that the type of person you are. Now please stop with this crap.

yeah, and it's more than obvious, what kind of person you are
one person, that cant even think about usecases, beyond the own ones

well maybe all that stuff is no issue for you, because you have many many controllers to change, and only play alone and/or 2 or 3 hours at most.
but it's clearly a problems for many other person, who play more. play 7 or 8 hours with friends.

and you still denie the ds4 solution could be a bad one, just because it doenst effect you
the changeable battery option in the xb1 controller is a great option. and to think otherwise is just wired. yeah even stupid.

yes, the battery kit and 3.5jack extension is a clear and petty cash grab.