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JRPGfan said:
SubiyaCryolite said:

They act like they still control the industry when they dont. Its all right to look out for your interests but when you dont make ANY concessions for third parties you deserve to fail. Better yet, not even Nintendo cares about 3rd party sales. They just want their own games to sell and fans to gobble up Amiibos. Nothing wrong with that but they shouldnt be surprised no 3rd party is lining up to play by their rules.



thats abit rough.. but yeah honestly Nintendo doesnt seem to treat 3rd party the same way Sony or MS does.

I dont think most people would disagree, if I went on to say my perception is sony by far does the most for 3rd parties.... guess what? they have 3rd party.


That's because sony and ms are totally dependent from 3rd third party support. How do you think those systems would sell if there isn't FIFA COD and GTA?



 

 

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160rmf said:
JRPGfan said:



thats abit rough.. but yeah honestly Nintendo doesnt seem to treat 3rd party the same way Sony or MS does.

I dont think most people would disagree, if I went on to say my perception is sony by far does the most for 3rd parties.... guess what? they have 3rd party.


That's because sony and ms are totally dependent from 3rd third party support. How do you think those systems would sell if there isn't FIFA COD and GTA?

Probably about in the 15-18 million LTD range the Wii U is headed for. Perhaps worse. 



@160rmf

Arnt nintendo too? No 3rd party and consol sales are down by alot.
Ofc that just means more sales of nintendo developed games = more profits.

The thing is... as a consumer are you happy that there are so few 3rd party games on the Wii U?



Sony and Microsoft serve basically all the need there is for third party content to the mass market ... there isn't really a need for Nintendo to be in the mix for that, and that's not really a slight to Nintendo.

As a consumer I will never buy a Windows Phone. It just never is going to happen. They could make the best phone with the nicest build quality and all that and I still would not buy it. It's not that I'm an Apple fanboy or anything, but I'll only buy an Apple or Android phone because of the app ecosystem and there's really nothing Microsoft could reasonably do to win me over. I'm not interested in losing out on the Apple or Android app ecosystem to go with Windows Phone. 

I just don't have an interest in a third "me too" option. I think that's really how most consumers feel about third party games with video games. It's nothing personal against Nintendo, it's just more than Sony and MS have established themselves as the proven brands for that kind of content and there's just no room/place for Nintendo.

No one needs/wants three alternatives to the same thing.



JRPGfan said:
@160rmf

Arnt nintendo too? No 3rd party and consol sales are down by alot.
Ofc that just means more sales of nintendo developed games = more profits.


Tell me...how many 3rd party games helped NIntendo HW sales?



 

 

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160rmf said:
JRPGfan said:
@160rmf

Arnt nintendo too? No 3rd party and consol sales are down by alot.
Ofc that just means more sales of nintendo developed games = more profits.


Tell me how many 3rd party games helped NIntendo HW sales?


I have no idea how to Quantify something like that.... many? not many? no idea honestly.

My gut feeling is that lack of 3rd party support does hurt sales.



outlawauron said:
RolStoppable said:
Can we get a summary of the video?

If I had to guess, I'd say the entitlement you speak of is the expectation that a $60 game is worth its asking price as well as respectful treatment in developer and publisher statements?

Third parties are picked apart by Nintendo fans, while Nintendo gets a free pass by the same crowd. That's pretty much it.

Specifically uses the verbage, "not living up to their promises".


Never heard of not living up to their promises. What I hear tho is stop lying and stop treating us like dirt

What they do from time to time is this:
We will support you. Ah well fuck you here some subpar shit. No DLC, lacking modes etc. Or lets just delay the finished game. Etc.
Or lets just sell every second game in the franchise on your system and not the others.

I also dont see Nintendo complaining about its userbase or insulting them.
I also rarely see a Nintendo game that disappoints or two in a row that do.
I also dont see Nintendo say you know what fuck you you dont buy our games then PLEASE BUY OUR SHOVELWARE instead
I also dont see Nintendo say our engine runs great and then cancelled
I also dont see Nintendo air multiplatform commercials and purposely sabotaging the Nintendo versions because the only versions that are NOT listed/shown in the commercial are Nintendo versions.

His argumentation is so bad I dont even know where to start lol.  He compares developer decisions of Nintendo to decisions of third parties LOL.
I mean Splatoon has no voice chat?  How is that comparable to a crap multiplaform port thats only gimped on Nintendo etc?




JRPGfan said:
@160rmf

Arnt nintendo too? No 3rd party and consol sales are down by alot.
Ofc that just means more sales of nintendo developed games = more profits.

The thing is... as a consumer are you happy that there are so few 3rd party games on the Wii U?

I am completely fine with the wii u not having third party support since the exclusives have been so good.



Delicious, delicious games.

I think the issue with it the third party games is that other consoles are getting the "full" version with all the features where as the wiiU owners are getting the gimped version (not graphically but gameplay experience wise such as dlc and etc) so since that is the case, I think the wiiU owners have every right to whine and bash them.

Cause the thing is, if say Call of Duty had no DLC in all the other consoles and then came to the wiiU with no DLC, the I doubt anyone would whine or bash but when you have games on other consoles that have dlc/features that aren't on the wiiU but you are still expecting people to pay top dollar for it, then u are just riding the nonsense train. And the issue is that in terms of third party + wiiU, it is exactly like that hence why Nintendo fans don't support many third party games and it is fully justifiable as to why imo. There are of course exceptions to the rule but that is generally what has happened for most third party games

But with games like splatoon, everyone is getting the same version so when a game like splatoon doesn't have VC, while it sucks for anyone that wants VC, at the very least, everyone is getting a game that has the same experience hence why I think there is a lot less whining about it. Not to say that not having VC and stuff is a good thing but again, the main difference is that third party games = other consoles have all the content + far better optomized and etc  vs gimped + optomiozation issues on the wiiU + missing content like DLC where as Nintendo games = everyone on the wiiU getting the samething (obviously)

There is no reason for anyone to support a gimped version of anything. Why should wiiU owners pay a premium for less? There is no reason to when there are other games that are from Nintendo that offer the same version for everyone (obviously cause those games are exclusive)



                  

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JRPGfan said:
160rmf said:


Tell me how many 3rd party games helped NIntendo HW sales?


I have no idea how to Quantify something like that.... many? not many? no idea honestly.

My gut feeling is that lack of 3rd party support does hurt sales.


Ok, I will help you... When we have sucessful nintendo HW is because they sell at nintendo's merit, 3rd party "support" comes later to get some sales



 

 

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