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97alexk said:

 Also most third party games like assassins creed and COD are not fun anyway

God I hate that sentiment. I really wish we had a standard way of measuring fun, otherwise it sounds like rhetoric and hot air.



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

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PwerlvlAmy said:
See this is the thing, most people who rag on Nintendo fans for not buying third party games, dont have a Nintendo system in the first place themselves so they cant see where Nintendo fans are coming from this current generation.

People tell Nintendo fans they should buy third party games and support third party developers,yet nearly every third party game that has been released on Wii U this generation has been gimped or missing features that should be in the game and charge full price for it and people expect Nintendo fans to buy the game just because. That doesn't make any sense.

So it leaves Nintendo fans in a weird situation, sure Nintendo fans need to buy third parties and support them to show that third parties should support Nintendo consoles,but at the same time,third parties dont even treat Nintendo users with the same respect that they do the other consoles, so it goes back to ''why should Nintendo fans support half assed efforts''

Weird situation indeed


Those are problems that can be solved with more powerful hardware and more competitive royalties/licensing. One makes developing without compromise significantly easier while the other gives 3rd parties the incentive to properly market Nintendo home console editions of any games they make.



I predict NX launches in 2017 - not 2016

PwerlvlAmy said:
See this is the thing, most people who rag on Nintendo fans for not buying third party games, dont have a Nintendo system in the first place themselves so they cant see where Nintendo fans are coming from this current generation.

People tell Nintendo fans they should buy third party games and support third party developers,yet nearly every third party game that has been released on Wii U this generation has been gimped or missing features that should be in the game and charge full price for it and people expect Nintendo fans to buy the game just because. That doesn't make any sense.

So it leaves Nintendo fans in a weird situation, sure Nintendo fans need to buy third parties and support them to show that third parties should support Nintendo consoles,but at the same time,third parties dont even treat Nintendo users with the same respect that they do the other consoles, so it goes back to ''why should Nintendo fans support half assed efforts''

Weird situation indeed

I imagine that most just have another machine to play those games on anyway. I know i do.



SubiyaCryolite said:
97alexk said:

 Also most third party games like assassins creed and COD are not fun anyway

God I hate that sentiment. I really wish we had a standard way of measuring fun, otherwise it sounds like rhetoric and hot air.

thats cause it is! i mean if he really felt that way, why even comment? comes across as. "well those games sucked anway so nyaaahhh!"



fleischr said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
See this is the thing, most people who rag on Nintendo fans for not buying third party games, dont have a Nintendo system in the first place themselves so they cant see where Nintendo fans are coming from this current generation.

People tell Nintendo fans they should buy third party games and support third party developers,yet nearly every third party game that has been released on Wii U this generation has been gimped or missing features that should be in the game and charge full price for it and people expect Nintendo fans to buy the game just because. That doesn't make any sense.

So it leaves Nintendo fans in a weird situation, sure Nintendo fans need to buy third parties and support them to show that third parties should support Nintendo consoles,but at the same time,third parties dont even treat Nintendo users with the same respect that they do the other consoles, so it goes back to ''why should Nintendo fans support half assed efforts''

Weird situation indeed


Those are problems that can be solved with more powerful hardware and more competitive royalties/licensing. One makes developing without compromise significantly easier while the other gives 3rd parties the incentive to properly market Nintendo home console editions of any games they make.


This. I wonder whats stopping them?



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The truth is though the "Nintendo fan who really wants the hyper violent third party games on their console" gamer itself is a small crowd to begin with.

Even on the GameCube, back when it would get legitimately good third party ports or exclusives like the Resident Evil games, the sales were relatively underwhelming compared to the PS2 or even XBox for similar kinds of titles. This is why Capcom bailed on exclusivity for Resident Evil and other Capcom Five titles, the sales were just not good enough to justify exclusivity.

Most Nintendo "fans" buy a Nintendo console a speciality secondary device primarily to get their Nintendo family game fix and it's been that way since the N64 era.

Sony (and MS) have laid claim to being the real "go to" console for the general mainstream third party variety title. And the thing is, they suit the general third party blockbuster (which is either a violent action game of some type or a jock-centric sports game in most cases) because that is the same audience Sony/MS market and design their consoles to 100%, whereas Nintendo still prefers to make 90% of their internal content so sugary sweet it'd make Walt Disney himself blush.

So I mean I think we're all just past this. Sure there is a crowd of Nintendo fans who are online who still gripe about not getting third party game X/Y/Z, but they're not really even representative of the general Nintendo fanbase as a whole who are content just playing Mario Kart, Smash, etc. Most of them own a Playstation or XBox console as well, so they're not deprived of anything to begin with.

Nintendo are what they are, but what that is is a speciality side console maker that makes fun family-centric consoles with toy-like charm. But they're not really a go to place for what the modern day third party blockbuster IP is. The last time Nintendo themselves had a *real* blockbuster hit with the older player demographic was GoldenEye and that was like 18 years ago now, lol.



SubiyaCryolite said:
97alexk said:

 Also most third party games like assassins creed and COD are not fun anyway

God I hate that sentiment. I really wish we had a standard way of measuring fun, otherwise it sounds like rhetoric and hot air.

i bet nobody would still like cod after playing a good fps.  it sells well because most casuals dont want to look for other games,so they play what the others play.



RolStoppable said:
outlawauron said:

I stopped watching a couple of mintues in. Starting with the Project Cars situation and the conclusions made after they said they're short of the goal they had with the game. Not that they shouldn't be criticized, but people are quick to lump them with EA, etc. Then mentions 3D World lacking online and Splatoon lacking voice chat being excused as "developer's vision". 3rd parties don't get that excuse.

I didn't watch much more than that.

Sounds like the right decision to not watch any more.

There's some truth to it, and you can tell he's a huge Nintendo fan....

But no time for 30 minutes of that.



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fleischr said:
PwerlvlAmy said:
See this is the thing, most people who rag on Nintendo fans for not buying third party games, dont have a Nintendo system in the first place themselves so they cant see where Nintendo fans are coming from this current generation.

People tell Nintendo fans they should buy third party games and support third party developers,yet nearly every third party game that has been released on Wii U this generation has been gimped or missing features that should be in the game and charge full price for it and people expect Nintendo fans to buy the game just because. That doesn't make any sense.

So it leaves Nintendo fans in a weird situation, sure Nintendo fans need to buy third parties and support them to show that third parties should support Nintendo consoles,but at the same time,third parties dont even treat Nintendo users with the same respect that they do the other consoles, so it goes back to ''why should Nintendo fans support half assed efforts''

Weird situation indeed


Those are problems that can be solved with more powerful hardware and more competitive royalties/licensing. One makes developing without compromise significantly easier while the other gives 3rd parties the incentive to properly market Nintendo home console editions of any games they make.

No just stronger hardware would not fix the problem. That's not my point anyhow. My point is people keep ragging on Nintendo fans for not supporting third parties,but if third parties are taking out features of their games(that nothing to do with the power of the system) and thus making them a gimped port,then why should Nintendo fans support that? epsecially at a full price of a retail game. its easy,they shouldnt. 



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I find myself agreeing somewhat with him.

Hes right that nintendo get a free pass, on alot of issues where its clear their missing funktions the consol/game should have (compaired to others).

While 3rd party games, they get alot of flack if their "gimped" compaired to the xbox one / ps4, when its often ofsides the controll of the developers (hardware limitations ect). Then they dont get bought by angry nintendo fans, which then results in less developers wanting to spend the time developeing for the system.

 

It goes without saying hes dissapointed in the 3rd party games on the consol.

But what he really wants is Nintendo to start by adding features to the consol/games they have, that other simular consols/games have.

(eg. voice chat for splatoons).