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oniyide on 29 May 2015
MikeRox said:
SpokenTruth said:

And that awful performance was due to the awful support.

 

Nintendo fans will not support 3rd parties on the same level that Sony/MS gamers support them until 3rd parties support Nintendo gamers.  They toss out a game here or there so they get a sale here or there. 

You want equal sales, give us equal support.  Otherwise, stop bitching that your games don't sell.


They're not bitching. They're just choosing to no longer support the systems. It's the userbase bitching.

The very reason Project CARS has been put on hold is that they can't make it equal and everyone goes ballistic at them over it. Then at the same time say they don't want games that aren't equivalent of other platforms.

Basically everyone is now agreeing that Slightly Mad Studios are actually making the RIGHT DECISION in "screwing over the very Nintendo fans who paid lots of money on a kickstarter that never happened to get the game funded in the first place"...

still waiting for someone to give an alternative what could they have done different? Cause it was either getting or worse version or no version. And if they never said anything about the version someone would have complained "what about Wii U?"



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Soundwave on 30 May 2015
SpokenTruth said:
oniyide said:

still waiting for someone to give an alternative what could they have done different? Cause it was either getting or worse version or no version. And if they never said anything about the version someone would have complained "what about Wii U?"

Something, even gimped, is better than nothing. So that's one.  Two, consistant support.  Again, a game here or there results in a sale here or there. 

You can't toss out one game expect the same sales as the PS/XB version.  You have to establish a consistant level of support AND TRUST.   If you do not establish this support, they will not support you.

And 1 or 2 third parties cannot do it alone.  It must consistant across the 3rd party spectrum.  Else you get fans that know of only 1 company they can trust and will support them....Nintendo.

The third party is screwed either way. 

If they make a port, and it's not on par with the others (which is won't be, a approximately 300 GFLOP console with only 1GB of RAM isn't going to much up with a 1.2TFLOP-1.8TFLOP console with 6GB of usable RAM) then Nintendo fans complain that the versions aren't equal. 

If they don't port it because they can't make an equal version then they get crapped on too. 

It's a lose lose situation, at least in this scenario they can better utilize their dev resources on the versions people would actually buy. 



oniyide on 30 May 2015
SpokenTruth said:
oniyide said:

still waiting for someone to give an alternative what could they have done different? Cause it was either getting or worse version or no version. And if they never said anything about the version someone would have complained "what about Wii U?"

Something, even gimped, is better than nothing. So that's one.  Two, consistant support.  Again, a game here or there results in a sale here or there. 

You can't toss out one game expect the same sales as the PS/XB version.  You have to establish a consistant level of support AND TRUST.   If you do not establish this support, they will not support you.

And 1 or 2 third parties cannot do it alone.  It must consistant across the 3rd party spectrum.  Else you get fans that know of only 1 company they can trust and will support them....Nintendo.

The Wii U was getting games and they were flopping. They got two CODs two Batmans two ACs all flopped so what were 3rd parties supposed to do? try again? In contrast to PS3 ME2 sold 1.12 mil and that was long before the original was finally on the console. I wouldnt give a system consistent support when its clear my games are flopping.

To be fair it was actually more than one, but you are right, thats what happens when the support has been all over the place for several generations. But the onus just cant be on 3rd parties Ninty has to budge a little too and they never do. So are 3rds supposed to bend over when Ninty is barely trying? Not there fault that no one is buying the system and not ther fault Ninty made another system no up to standards.

Basically Ninty has to make console that sells decent and is on par with the others.



mysteryman on 30 May 2015
Soundwave said:
SpokenTruth said:
oniyide said:

still waiting for someone to give an alternative what could they have done different? Cause it was either getting or worse version or no version. And if they never said anything about the version someone would have complained "what about Wii U?"

Something, even gimped, is better than nothing. So that's one.  Two, consistant support.  Again, a game here or there results in a sale here or there. 

You can't toss out one game expect the same sales as the PS/XB version.  You have to establish a consistant level of support AND TRUST.   If you do not establish this support, they will not support you.

And 1 or 2 third parties cannot do it alone.  It must consistant across the 3rd party spectrum.  Else you get fans that know of only 1 company they can trust and will support them....Nintendo.

The third party is screwed either way. 

If they make a port, and it's not on par with the others (which is won't be, a approximately 300 GFLOP console with only 1GB of RAM isn't going to much up with a 1.2TFLOP-1.8TFLOP console with 6GB of usable RAM) then Nintendo fans complain that the versions aren't equal. 

If they don't port it because they can't make an equal version then they get crapped on too. 

It's a lose lose situation, at least in this scenario they can better utilize their dev resources on the versions people would actually buy. 

I disagree.

All devs need to do is add something useful for the gamepad to do and it will more than make up for graphical shortcomings. Surely they aren't that creatively destitute for this to be an issue?

Watch dogs had hacking, from a touch device, as a core game mechanic. It's not rocket science. I'd buy GTAV just for a constant map on the gamepad with on-the-fly GPS control.



oniyide on 30 May 2015
mysteryman said:
Soundwave said:

The third party is screwed either way. 

If they make a port, and it's not on par with the others (which is won't be, a approximately 300 GFLOP console with only 1GB of RAM isn't going to much up with a 1.2TFLOP-1.8TFLOP console with 6GB of usable RAM) then Nintendo fans complain that the versions aren't equal. 

If they don't port it because they can't make an equal version then they get crapped on too. 

It's a lose lose situation, at least in this scenario they can better utilize their dev resources on the versions people would actually buy. 

I disagree.

All devs need to do is add something useful for the gamepad to do and it will more than make up for graphical shortcomings. Surely they aren't that creatively destitute for this to be an issue?

Watch dogs had hacking, from a touch device, as a core game mechanic. It's not rocket science. I'd buy GTAV just for a constant map on the gamepad with on-the-fly GPS control.


yeah and that did so well on WiiU

All those motion control versions of Wii games did gangbusters as well



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mysteryman on 30 May 2015
oniyide said:
mysteryman said:

I disagree.

All devs need to do is add something useful for the gamepad to do and it will more than make up for graphical shortcomings. Surely they aren't that creatively destitute for this to be an issue?

Watch dogs had hacking, from a touch device, as a core game mechanic. It's not rocket science. I'd buy GTAV just for a constant map on the gamepad with on-the-fly GPS control.


yeah and that did so well on WiiU

All those motion control versions of Wii games did gangbusters as well

I was talking about a proper use of the gamepad and not a half-assed afterthought...



oniyide on 30 May 2015
mysteryman said:
oniyide said:
mysteryman said:

I disagree.

All devs need to do is add something useful for the gamepad to do and it will more than make up for graphical shortcomings. Surely they aren't that creatively destitute for this to be an issue?

Watch dogs had hacking, from a touch device, as a core game mechanic. It's not rocket science. I'd buy GTAV just for a constant map on the gamepad with on-the-fly GPS control.


yeah and that did so well on WiiU

All those motion control versions of Wii games did gangbusters as well

I was talking about a proper use of the gamepad and not a half-assed afterthought...


so they have to do extra work just to maybe get sales on par(and lets be real they wont) with other systems? Sounds legit. I mean its not like those other versions flop without it



captain carot on 31 May 2015
mysteryman said:
Soundwave said:

The third party is screwed either way. 

If they make a port, and it's not on par with the others (which is won't be, a approximately 300 GFLOP console with only 1GB of RAM isn't going to much up with a 1.2TFLOP-1.8TFLOP console with 6GB of usable RAM) then Nintendo fans complain that the versions aren't equal. 

If they don't port it because they can't make an equal version then they get crapped on too. 

It's a lose lose situation, at least in this scenario they can better utilize their dev resources on the versions people would actually buy. 

I disagree.

All devs need to do is add something useful for the gamepad to do and it will more than make up for graphical shortcomings. Surely they aren't that creatively destitute for this to be an issue?

Watch dogs had hacking, from a touch device, as a core game mechanic. It's not rocket science. I'd buy GTAV just for a constant map on the gamepad with on-the-fly GPS control.

So like all those Nintendo games with great Gamepad usage?

 

I really enjoyed Super MArio 3D World, but the Gamepad usage was a piece of shit. New Super MArio Bros is even worse.

Pikmin 3 got touch control. One year later. DKC TF has like zero Gamepad usage. And so on.

99.9% of the time only off-TV is good. Then there's Nintendoland and Zombi U. Both release games.

 

Except for the very few games with really interesting Gamepad features i've started to use it for off-TV only. Rest if Pro Controller. That is at least handy and ergonomic.



Ljink96 on 31 May 2015

Welp, it's true for me. As a Nintendo fan, I don't demand 3rd party support though. I just go and get a Playstation Platform for that. If 3rd parties are to return to Nintendo, all I would care about anyways are Square Enix, Capcom, Konami, Level 5, Sega, etc...(Japanese 3rd Party). I'm not much of a western gamer so 3rd party titles from Naughty Dog and Bungie (except for a few titles like Uncharted), I really don't care for them much.



purewisdon on 31 May 2015
captain carot said:
Pavolink said:
I think third parties will be succesful on NX.


If you only knew how that phrase lives up in german. ^^

Fact is, Nintendofans for the most are buying nothing other than Nintendo right now. Either they're not interested at all or buy every non-Nintendo game for other consoles. With a very small minoritiy left that's buying third party.

And that goes for indy games as well.

you clearly don't know what you're talking about and is just hating.