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They'd probably have used very similar hardware, its not just about the power but the longevity also, look at the ps1 for example which implimented the r3000 chip which is now navigating a spacecraft towards Pluto. Also ease, wholesale deals, speed, compatibility etc etc etc and so on and so on and so on.



 

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They could have put out consoles in 2013 that were significantly more powerful than PS4/Xbone.
They chose not to because of how much money 360 and PS3 lost early on for being high end juggernauts. Their limitations are more the result of financial prudence than technological barriers.



Ka-pi96 said:
kitler53 said:
last gen was too long.

only like 1.5% of gamers actually give a shit about "full-resolution" or 60 fps. those gamers should play PC because console are for convience and budget concious gamers.

This. And I'm glad I'm not one of them!

They came out at the best possible time.

Is this is true, then why get a PS4 or X1 at all? PS360 at present have tons more games, and thanks to cross-gen, there are VERY VERY few true exclusives to PS4/X1.

How well did GTAV sell on PS4/X1? Unless most of those buyers had never played it before on Gen7, then those players definitely cared about resolution/FPS, because otherwise WHY REBUY IT? It's not like it was an old game. Ditto TLOU:HD.

1.5% sounds idiotic imho, because of the absoutely huge margin of cross-gen games so far.

Excluding PC, you have a mediocre Killzone, Ryse, The Order, Forza 5, and a small smattering of gems like Sunset Overdrive and Bloodborne so far. Everything else (Madden, COD, GTA, FC4, etc) is largely on last-gen consoles.

The 'people don't give a fuck about graphics' idea sort of forbids the entire concept of new hardware. Even the exclusives that are only on Gen8 so far could EASILY have been done on PS360, just at lower resolution/FPS. Look at GTAV, PS360 could handle plenty. Name ONE game that PS360 couldn't play that is on PS4/X1. Bloodborne? It would have looked like Demon's Souls graphically, but easily done. Sunset Overdrive? Easy, but maybe 600p. Etc/etc/etc.

You can't have it both ways.



curl-6 said:
They could have put out consoles in 2013 that were significantly more powerful than PS4/Xbone.
They chose not to because of how much money 360 and PS3 lost early on for being high end juggernauts. Their limitations are more the result of financial prudence than technological barriers.

I think the same financial prudence would have yielded massively more powerful consoles CPU wise by later this year or into next year. Jaguar is terrible.

28nm took too long to get replaced, and 2013 was the tail end. Sadly it's not like Intel+Nvidia was affordable enough to use in consoles, but AMD will soon have moved from awful CPU performance in that TDP to above-average.



Well, for starters, both the PS3 and the X360 would've probably beat the Wii. And last gen would've been sooooo long, sheesh.



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Arkaign said:
curl-6 said:
They could have put out consoles in 2013 that were significantly more powerful than PS4/Xbone.
They chose not to because of how much money 360 and PS3 lost early on for being high end juggernauts. Their limitations are more the result of financial prudence than technological barriers.

I think the same financial prudence would have yielded massively more powerful consoles CPU wise by later this year or into next year. Jaguar is terrible.

28nm took too long to get replaced, and 2013 was the tail end. Sadly it's not like Intel+Nvidia was affordable enough to use in consoles, but AMD will soon have moved from awful CPU performance in that TDP to above-average.

Fair enough, but if they'd come out in 2015 they'd still be midrange, just by 2015 standards instead of 2013. At this point I guess you can either hope this gen isn't as drawn out as the last, (I imagine PS4/Xbone will be looking a tad dated by 2020/2021) or go PC master race. ;)



curl-6 said:
Arkaign said:
curl-6 said:
They could have put out consoles in 2013 that were significantly more powerful than PS4/Xbone.
They chose not to because of how much money 360 and PS3 lost early on for being high end juggernauts. Their limitations are more the result of financial prudence than technological barriers.

I think the same financial prudence would have yielded massively more powerful consoles CPU wise by later this year or into next year. Jaguar is terrible.

28nm took too long to get replaced, and 2013 was the tail end. Sadly it's not like Intel+Nvidia was affordable enough to use in consoles, but AMD will soon have moved from awful CPU performance in that TDP to above-average.

Fair enough, but if they'd come out in 2015 they'd still be midrange, just by 2015 standards instead of 2013. At this point I guess you can either hope this gen isn't as drawn out as the last, (I imagine PS4/Xbone will be looking a tad dated by 2020/2021) or go PC master race. ;)

yeah that's kind of my point. Not that PS4/X1 would have been higher up the totem pole of the timeframe against midrange PCs or anything like that, but rather that the long stagnation period from ~'09-'13 was really rough CPU wise.

I mean a Phenom II X6 is roughly on par with the FX6350 performance-wise. And even on Intel's side, someone with a 2500k doesn't see massive gains going to a 4690K Devil's Canyon. But above all, GF/TSMC long-toothed 28nm and the TDP targets by the console makers made something akin to the Jaguar inevitable at that die size. What they managed to do with 28nm is admirable I think, but man, when you consider the cross-gen games dominating these past couple of years, and seeing 'exclusives' that could have been easily done on gen7 with lower res/detail (graphics don't matter at all, amirite? we should go back to 2600!), I think waiting for the LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOONG awaited die-shrink would have done everyone a lot of good. All the same games we've played in 2013, 2014, and into 2015 would have been there, just less 'pretty'. And the generational jump would have been incredible rather than merely okay.



TBH the current consoles should have been released in 2011. With similar/same specs they have right now.  So new better hardware would be right around the corner coming 2016 or something.

Crysis 1 PC edition was the best looking game (not talking about effects hiding blocky world geometry here) until I dunno Killzone Shadowfall took the crown
(maybe it did not but at least it was the first game that could kinda compete with Crysis. (again NOT talking about shaders because modern shaders/effects simply didnt exist in 2007 games like Crysis 2 or Battlefield 3 look much worse than Crysis 1)

WiiU should have been a 2009/10 console


We wasted a whole generation..... :(



Sales of the PS3 and 360 were already stalling rapidly after peaking in 2011. For example, in May 2012 the 360 sold 160k units in the U.S., which was not only the first time it had dropped below 200k in a month since the 360S launched, but also the lowest it had sold in five years. Overally, sales were down 27% YoY in the U.S. in 2012. 2013 was worse. Sales in Q1 were down 21% from Q1 '12 (which incidentally were themselves down 21% from Q1 '11), and sales in Q2 were atrocious, setting new lows for the 360. In April, the month before the XBO was announced, it sold only 130k units, less than the previous record low of 155k sold in May 2007.

As for the PS3, things weren't any better. Needless to say, if they waited another two years yearly hardware sales might have declined to levels not seen since 2000 during the transition from the fifth to the sixth generation. Considering how protracted the generation was already, MS & Sony trying to get every sale they could from the 360 & PS3 before releasing their new systems would have been like squeezing blood from a turnip. Eventually pretty much everybody who ever wanted a 360 or PS3 would have one and the systems will just stop selling on their own. Console makers aren't going to wait forever to put out next-gen hardware once their current-gen system has entered the period of terminal decline.



Ka-pi96 said:
torok said:
A lot of games flopped in 2012. 2013 was ridiculous, everything flopped. The last 2 years of PS360 were killing thirdy parties, PS4/X1 brought back good software sales numbers.

Everything flopped in 2013? Even though it had 2 games that set sales records (TLOU & GTA V), they flopped too?


These, plus CoD and Fifa were basically the ones that saved the year. Most new IPs failed hard. Just check the poor releases, it was a slaughter.