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Forums - Microsoft Discussion - Phil Spencer: "Tomb Raider Deal Still Same as Before...Timed"

Legend11 said:

Risky?  The game and its derivatives sold over 8 million copies.  I really find it hard to believe there are people out there that think the game wouldn't have been made without Sony stepping in to help fund it.  C'mon Son get real, how much would a fighting game cost to develop, we're not talking Call of Duty type budgets here.


I'll believe Capcom's financial statements, multiple quotes from Capcom, and Capcoms stock listing over your random theory that can't be proven.

That being said, good on phil for clarifying the situation he could of avoided by not being shady with the reveal.



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Protendo said:
Legend11 said:

Risky?  The game and its derivatives sold over 8 million copies.  I really find it hard to believe there are people out there that think the game wouldn't have been made without Sony stepping in to help fund it.  C'mon Son get real, how much would a fighting game cost to develop, we're not talking Call of Duty type budgets here.


I'll believe Capcom's financial statements, multiple quotes from Capcom, and Capcoms stock listing over your random theory that can't be proven.


Like your random theory that Microsoft isn't helping to fund Tomb Raider development despite the fact that employees from both Microsoft and Crystal Dynamics have stated otherwise?

One thing that isn't a theory is that gamers on other consoles are getting more screwed over by the SF deal.



Legend11 said:
Protendo said:
Legend11 said:


Microsoft is helping to fund development of Rise of the Tomb Raider. There are articles from the game's developers basically saying that Microsoft brought in additional talent to help with development of the game.  They could have easily screwed gamers on other platforms like what Sony did when the original Tomb Raider 2 when it became a PS1 exclusive but they  chose not to.


No. The game was already funded.

Microsoft just payed to cockblock Sony, nothing more.

Microsoft is helping to fund the game.  Could it have been made without their funding?  Of course just like a new Street Fighter game could have been made without Sony funding.  There's no difference between the two games other than gamers on one console getting completely screwed over.


Microsoft used that as an excuse after Sony said they were funding capcom because of capcoms  bad financial state. Remember that capcom was putting themselves up for sale to see who would buy for a little while, not that long ago. Microsoft probably sweetened the deal for square but I doubt they helped them develop the game. 

As I said.....they did the same thing with bioshock. It's how they work. I wouldn't be naive enough to believe sf5 won't have successors within the same gen either, just as I am not naive enough to believe microsoft when  they leave a bad taste in people's mouths and then take Sony's statements and use it as a coat of armor for themselves.



Btw. looking at the X1 subreddit this is apparently still not enough confirmation for some (a lot of?) Xbox fans that this game will make its way over to the PS4, geez.



DerNebel said:
Btw. looking at the X1 subreddit this is apparently still not enough confirmation for some (a lot of?) Xbox fans that this game will make its way over to the PS4, geez.


The unrealistic  hopes that some cling to.



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S.T.A.G.E. said:
DerNebel said:
Btw. looking at the X1 subreddit this is apparently still not enough confirmation for some (a lot of?) Xbox fans that this game will make its way over to the PS4, geez.


The unrealistic  hopes that some cling to.

Many of those fans WANT this game to be exclusive forever with a passion. 



Playstation_awaiter said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


The unrealistic  hopes that some cling to.

Many of those fans WANT this game to be exclusive forever with a passion. 


That would be considered an insult seeing that the game came to popularity primarily on playstation and secondarily on pc. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
DerNebel said:
Btw. looking at the X1 subreddit this is apparently still not enough confirmation for some (a lot of?) Xbox fans that this game will make its way over to the PS4, geez.


The unrealistic  hopes that some cling to.

There really isn't much logic behind it, the basic argument builds on the fact that MS is publishing the game on Xbox and that they're helping with development in some way (I'm still certain they are only helping with optimization), which can basically still be broken down to MS paying money to SE and nothing else.

MS paid $50 mil to Rockstar for GTA IV timed DLC and who knows how much to Activision for the CoD timed DLC, but this is suddenly a totally different situation because they are publishing the game on Xbox? Come on.



DerNebel said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
DerNebel said:
Btw. looking at the X1 subreddit this is apparently still not enough confirmation for some (a lot of?) Xbox fans that this game will make its way over to the PS4, geez.


The unrealistic  hopes that some cling to.

There really isn't much logic behind it, the basic argument builds on the fact that MS is publishing the game on Xbox and that they're helping with development in some way (I'm still certain they are only helping with optimization), which can basically still be broken down to MS paying money to SE and nothing else.

MS paid $50 mil to Rockstar for GTA IV timed DLC and who knows how much to Activision for the CoD timed DLC, but this is suddenly a totally different situation because they are publishing the game on Xbox

Exactly. In short moneyhatting. Capcoms situation is different. Sony is literally funding the development  of street fighter. And we were notified of it before it was halfway through development making it believable that they aren't  just mincing words and capcom needed the money. As you said, microsoft if they are paying for anything at all it is an optimized version of what their competition should already be getting. Truly though....hasn't this been the case for a while  now? They've been fighting his framerate/resolution based battle of inches since launch . 



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