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Lafiel on 23 May 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:

So it's wrong? Is it not what God wants if this is the book of God?

Just incase someone says:

'But old testimant doesn't matter/isn't relevant now'

 I guess that whole bit about the 10 commandments and God creating the world don't matter either. 

I'm not really religious at all myself, but I would say that Jesus Christs views and actions take priority over what Moses wrote, simply due to his status as part of God and God's Son in the Christian religion - which also makes him the most important prophet.

That's why the genesis and 10 commandments etc (which Jesus supported) still is relevant while all the funky rules Moses came up with in Leviticus are pretty much off the table, even Jews afaik don't practice any of the animal sacrifice stuff that makes up half of the book (since 70 CE, when their temple was destroyed by the romans).



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Angelv577 on 23 May 2015
PwerlvlAmy said:
brotherrrrrrr my brotherrrrrrrrrr

tell me what are we fighting forrrr

we got to end this warrrrr

should love oneeee anotherrrrrrrrr

oh cant we just pretend,this war never began

we can tryyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

brother my brother

-punches a pokemon-

lol you are a comedian.



EpicLight on 23 May 2015
HintHRO said:
Lafiel said:

I read it a few months ago, good that it pretty much has no bearing on modern christianity.

Just like 'The bible is up to interpretation', the New Testament is something religious people made up because they know how fucked up their favorite book is, but they still want to believe in God and control people. God did not personally tell us that the old testament is something we should ignore, those were people who realized christianity would die if the people knew the bible said such horrible things. There are still people out there who strongly believe in the old testament and you can't tell them they are bad Christians because they actually believe what the bible tells them. Besides that, the old testament is still in every bible printed nowadays. Educational books that are incorrect are not given to schools anymore because it is proven to be incorrect. You can't prove the old testament to be 'old Christianity' because the one who wrote the bible won't even bother to come to earth to make that clear. Also muslim terrorist actually do what the quran tells them. You can't tell them they are wrong. 

Overall, religion is a big mess and should be a thing of the past. 

Historically, the book of Hebrews was written to write off the practice of the Jews - the Hebrew practices of offerings to render them unnecessary because we now have Jesus who had now sacrificed himself as a perfect sacrifice, not to mention eating unclean food (For Jews still practice this today). Jews like the Sanhedran and high-priests back then are actually relevant to this because Jews today still don't believe that Jesus was the Son of God. 



EpicLight on 23 May 2015
Lafiel said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

So it's wrong? Is it not what God wants if this is the book of God?

Just incase someone says:

'But old testimant doesn't matter/isn't relevant now'

 I guess that whole bit about the 10 commandments and God creating the world don't matter either. 

I'm not really religious at all myself, but I would say that Jesus Christs views and actions take priority over what Moses wrote, simply due to his status as part of God and God's Son in the Christian religion - which also makes him the most important prophet.

^ Exactly. Jesus made the most impact on the world than anyone in the world. Jesus, who himself had given himself authority granted by God (he was God in human form), he self-proclimated that we are to love one another and turn the other cheek - not an eye for an eye. The Old Testament was full of relgious rules that the Hebews and Jews didn't need to follow anymore. The Jewish government had a problem with this, and I'm doubting that you know the whole story given your [Lafiel's] comment, but the government didn't like this and chose to put him to death with the help of the Romans. However, Jesus still stated the importance of the old rules that had shown the Isrealites the way through the dark times (the 10 Commandments). 



o_O.Q on 23 May 2015

there are so many contradictions over and over and over

 

the reason for this is that for one Christianity was never mean't to be taken literally as it is a book of allegories or metaphors just like any of the old religions of antiquity that share very similar stories

for example back in Egypt just like christianity they had a triune god osiris horus and isis and these were not viewed by those in the know as actual beings

 

horus represented the sun and the various stories connected to him were about the passage of  the sun through the heavens

much of the stories and sayings about jesus were in fact derived from horus and i'll give a few examples

horus or the sun is why we talk about the sun of god being on the cross and why church crosses occasionally have a circle on them

 

 

the lines which represent the cross represent the equinoxes and the soltices or in other words its astrology

 

judas the man who betrayed god is also related to astrology he represents the scorpion on the zodiac which occupies the month of october and as a result represents a traitor because the sun begins to wane at this time of the year

therefore the scorpion or judas or october stabs the "sun" of god in the back at this time

 

horus is then "born again" in the spring time when the sun begins to gain strength again

all of this represents the metaphorical life of horus of the sun it starts life in spring rising to power in summer then in october it is stabbed in the back and weakens to death in winter and is subsequently born again in easter

i would also like to mention that easter also represents the old god ishtar 

 

 

horus has risen - horizon

set/typhon was the egyptian god representing the devil or darkness and this is why we call the sun/horus crossing the horizon in the evening - sunset

 

horus is the reason kings have worn crowns to denote power throughout history as crowns were fashioned to mimic rays of light emitting from the head of the king and relates to the statue of liberty

 

 

 

these ancient religions are so pervasive in society that its amazing to me that people do not mention it more

 

this is getting quite long and i could go on and on and on but regardless my point is that the bible is indeed a book with profound information contained within it, our problem is that we have the wrong interpretation because the church leaders are largely either fools or intentional deceivers



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pearljammer on 23 May 2015
Dr.Henry_Killinger said:

In Christianity, God doesn't hate Sinners, in fact the entire point of Christianity is to save them(FYI: all men are born Sinners according to the Bible)

 

This bolded section is something that has always irritated me. Though I may at times have disagreed with his methods, Christopher Hitchens' oration was always eloquent and clear. He addressed this point much better than I ever could:

I therefore have no choice but to find something suspect even in the humblest believer. Even the most humane and compassionate of the monotheisms and polytheisms are complicit in this quiet and irrational authoritarianism: they proclaim us, in Fulke Greville's unforgettable line, "Created sick — Commanded to be well." And there are totalitarian insinuations to back this up if its appeal should fail. Christians, for example, declare me redeemed by a human sacrifice that occurred thousands of years before I was born. I didn't ask for it, and would willingly have foregone it, but there it is: I'm claimed and saved whether I wish it or not. And if I refuse the unsolicited gift? Well, there are still some vague mutterings about an eternity of torment for my ingratitude. That is somewhat worse than a Big Brother state, because there could be no hope of its eventually passing away.

In any case, I find something repulsive about the idea of vicarious redemption. I would not throw my numberless sins onto a scapegoat and expect them to pass from me; we rightly sneer at the barbaric societies that practice this unpleasantness in its literal form. There's no moral value in the vicarious gesture anyway. As Thomas Paine pointed out, you may if you wish take on another man's debt, or even to take his place in prison. That would be self-sacrificing. But you may not assume his actual crimes as if they were your own; for one thing you did not commit them and might have died rather than do so; for another this impossible action would rob him of individual responsibility. So the whole apparatus of absolution and forgiveness strikes me as positively immoral, while the concept of revealed truth degrades the concept of free intelligence by purportedly relieving us of the hard task of working out the ethical principles for ourselves.

You can see the same immorality or amorality in the Christian view of guilt and punishment. There are only two texts, both of them extreme and mutually contradictory. The Old Testament injunction is the one to exact an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth (it occurs in a passage of perfectly demented detail about the exact rules governing mutual ox-goring; you should look it up in its context Exodus 21). The second is from the Gospels and says that only those without sin should cast the first stone. The first is a moral basis for capital punishment and other barbarities; the second is so relativistic and "nonjudgmental" that it would not allow the prosecution of Charles Manson. Our few notions of justice have had to evolve despite these absurd codes of ultra vindictiveness and ultracompassion.

Judaism has some advantages over Christianity in that, for example, it does not proselytise — except among Jews — and it does not make the cretinous mistake of saying that the Messiah has already made his appearance. However, along with Islam and Christianity, it does insist that some turgid and contradictory and sometimes evil and mad texts, obviously written by fairly unexceptional humans, are in fact the word of god. I think that the indispensable condition of any intellectual liberty is the realisation that there is no such thing.


tiffac on 23 May 2015



JWeinCom on 23 May 2015

Mathew

5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil

Jesus really didn't object to the old testament laws.

10:34 Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword.

10:35 For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.

15:4 For God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death.

Kill disobedient children. I guess it doesn't matter if the parents are abusive or what not.

25:46 And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal.

Jesus thinks it's ok to have infinite punishment for finite crime, especially if that crime is not believing in him.

John

John 3:16 Don't think I have to actually quote this one, ya'll know it already. So basically, because God was pissed off that Adam and Eve ate an apple, before they had knowledge of good and evil, he had to punish everyone else. And apparently the only way to end this punishment was to make a son (who is him) torture himself to death so that he could forgive them. Instead of... you know... just forgiving them. Oh Jehovah. You so crazy.

3:23 And it shall come to pass, that every soul, which will not hear that prophet, shall be destroyed from among the people.

This wasn't a Jesus quote. It's a John. And apparently every person who doesn't believe in Jesus deserves to die. Even if you think this death is metaphorical, it gives lovely justification to being cruel to non-believers. They're dead anyway, fuck em. Also good justification for forced conversions which were oh so popular, and still are fashionable in third world countries.

Mark

13:22 And when he had removed him, he raised up unto them David to be their king; to whom also he gave their testimony, and said, I have found David the son of Jesse, a man after mine own heart, which shall fulfil all my will.

David apparently is a good representative for god check out the old testament to see the BS he pulled.






The New Testament is no more moral than the other. You can pull out some good quotes I'm sure to balance out the ones I pulled, but if you view the Bible as 100% truthful word of god, than you'd have to conclude god and Jesus are terrible.

But, most people are generally good, or at least neutral, so they pluck out the more sane ideas of the Bible. And if you're just picking out quotes based on your own morality, why do you need the bible in the first place?



ArchangelMadzz on 23 May 2015
Lafiel said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

So it's wrong? Is it not what God wants if this is the book of God?

Just incase someone says:

'But old testimant doesn't matter/isn't relevant now'

 I guess that whole bit about the 10 commandments and God creating the world don't matter either. 

I'm not really religious at all myself, but I would say that Jesus Christs views and actions take priority over what Moses wrote, simply due to his status as part of God and God's Son in the Christian religion - which also makes him the most important prophet.

That's why the genesis and 10 commandments etc (which Jesus supported) still is relevant while all the funky rules Moses came up with in Leviticus are pretty much off the table, even Jews afaik don't practice any of the animal sacrifice stuff that makes up half of the book (since 70 CE, when their temple was destroyed by the romans).

 

What I'm saying is if Christians do not follow it, they're saying it's incorrect as a book of morality. And that God was wrong. Or they're saying God is changing his mind about morality.



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Lafiel on 23 May 2015
ArchangelMadzz said:
Lafiel said:
ArchangelMadzz said:

So it's wrong? Is it not what God wants if this is the book of God?

Just incase someone says:

'But old testimant doesn't matter/isn't relevant now'

 I guess that whole bit about the 10 commandments and God creating the world don't matter either. 

I'm not really religious at all myself, but I would say that Jesus Christs views and actions take priority over what Moses wrote, simply due to his status as part of God and God's Son in the Christian religion - which also makes him the most important prophet.

That's why the genesis and 10 commandments etc (which Jesus supported) still is relevant while all the funky rules Moses came up with in Leviticus are pretty much off the table, even Jews afaik don't practice any of the animal sacrifice stuff that makes up half of the book (since 70 CE, when their temple was destroyed by the romans).

 

What I'm saying is if Christians do not follow it, they're saying it's incorrect as a book of morality. And that God was wrong. Or they're saying God is changing his mind about morality.

or they say "Moses wrote a bunch of shit later on" (no speaking "burning bushes" that tell him stuff = no credibility :P )