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ohmylanta1003 said:
JWeinCom said:


First of all, I think you need to chill out.  Second of all, I didn't make any assumptions about what you know.  I made an assessment based on your statement. Maybe in your head you do know what a scientifc theory is, but you certainly didn't prove that in your post.  Thirdly, I don't care if you are a mechanical engineer, a physicist, or Albert Einstein.  The statement showed a profound lack of understanding regarding science.  

But, if you are so offended, then clarify youself.  Explain what a scientific theory is.  Then, after you've explained what a scientific theory is, explain why it would be inappropriate to teach the Darwin's theory of evolution in schools.  And, if you don't think it's ok to teach that theory, please explain what explanation should be given for the demonstrable fact of evolution.  Lastly, please explain why, if we shouldn't teach evolution, we should teach cell theory, atomic theory, the heliocentric theory, or any other theory.

Lol. I don't need to prove anything to you. All I know is that regardless of what you'd like to believe, a scientific theory is a type of theory. Period. End. Of. Discussion. You cannot say otherwise. But it was nice talking to you.

Well, if you don't care to prove you have knowledge, don't get offended when people think you ignorant.  



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JWeinCom said:
ohmylanta1003 said:

Lol. I don't need to prove anything to you. All I know is that regardless of what you'd like to believe, a scientific theory is a type of theory. Period. End. Of. Discussion. You cannot say otherwise. But it was nice talking to you.

Well, if you don't care to prove you have knowledge, don't get offended when people think you ignorant.


Point taken. Now I know that I should just avoid you in the future. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go "embarrass myself" elsewhere.



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ohmylanta1003 said:
JWeinCom said:

Well, if you don't care to prove you have knowledge, don't get offended when people think you ignorant.


Point taken. Now I know that I should just avoid you in the future. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go "embarrass myself" elsewhere.

I wouldn't say you should avoid me so much as you should avoid making foolish comments you are not prepared to defend. 



JWeinCom said:
ohmylanta1003 said:


Point taken. Now I know that I should just avoid you in the future. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to go "embarrass myself" elsewhere.

I wouldn't say you should avoid me so much as you should avoid making foolish comments you are not prepared to defend. 


That would make sense if my comment was actually foolish.



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Dr.Henry_Killinger said:
RadiantDanceMachine said:

And the circus act continues. Did you miss this post where I cite verbatim the passages these are from? That's incredible...considering I replied directly to you with them. Is it a regular occurrence for you to ignore facts which do not correspond with your rather inappropriate and mendacious view?

No sir, you did not render anything moot. You argued quite fantastically poorly that because love is mentioned more than hate, that the hate is negated; this is a rather elementary level error in reasoning called a non-sequitur, which I see you've failed to acknowledge. Actually, my mistake...you contrasted "Jesus" and "Christ" with "hate" which is even more alarming since they seem to have no analogous relationship at all to the term, either in thesis or antithesis.

I'm left again dumbfounded by a reply that seems largely delusory.

Did you miss the part where I replied to you and linked you to the fallacy of quoting out of context? Because the verbatim citing you did, does exactly that. If anything, you are ignoring the actual fact that the "facts" you claim I am ignoring are fallacies. 

It astounds me that you have such conginitive dissonance that you recognize that I am purposely using a non-sequitor, but fail to realize that because I am mimicing the form of your claim, I am pointing out that your claim is a non-sequitor as well. 

In other words, if you say that the occurrence of Christ in the NT is a non-sequitor, so to is your claim about the occurences of hate. 

I explicitly told you that based on your reasoning, the occurrence of Christ in the NT refers to how the OT is barely pertinent to modern christianity because its lack of Christ.

So I did not "contrast[ed] "Jesus" and "Christ" with "hate" as you claim, I contrasted the occurrences, ~900 vs 16, which is completely different then the fabricated claim you are alarmed at.

You made no replies in reference to my quotations, you made replies in reference to my occurrences which renders your "out of context" entirely obsolete, which is why I ignored a rebuttal that made no sense. I thought this was very easily understood...by anyone, I suppose I was mistaken.

You seem to not be following this procession of events at all I'm afraid.

Your claim: "Thus, if a so called Christian says "God hates X" they are either not a Christian, or at the very least sinning themselves."

Was refuted by:

1) Quite a few quotations which evidence that several things are hated as per the Bible. 

2) The number of occurences within the Bible that hate is used.

Your efforts at refuting 2) were a complete failure due to the argument itself being a non-sequitur. Namely "IFF Christ/Jesus are mentioned more than hate, then no hate exists".

No effort has been made to address 1) at any point in time until now. These efforts currently stem from nothing at all. Read the passages that contain these quotations in their entirety...nothing is taken out of context here. Feel free to look them up, surely you know where they are?

Oh dear...if you can't see the clear and marked distinction between my argument and yours, you truly are way out of your depth here.

My argument is as follows:

P1) If hate is mentioned in the bible, "god" hates something. 

P2) Hate is mentioned in the bible.

C) Ergo, god hates something.

*P1 could very easily be amended to state: "If the bible mentions that god/lord/Jesus hates X, then god hates X" based upon ample quotations of such.

Your argument:

P1) If Jesus/Christ are mentioned in the bible more than hate, then "god" doesn't hate anything. (clearly inept)

P2) Jesus/Christ are mentioned more in the bible than hate.

C) Ergo, "god" doesn't hate anything.

Hopefully this clears up your confusion since you seem wildly confused about the procession of events.



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ohmylanta1003 said:
JWeinCom said:

I wouldn't say you should avoid me so much as you should avoid making foolish comments you are not prepared to defend. 


That would make sense if my comment was actually foolish.

It was incredibly foolish. A scientific theory has a specialized definition that does not lend it to be analogous with "theory" in any other field of study.



ohmylanta1003 said:
JWeinCom said:

I wouldn't say you should avoid me so much as you should avoid making foolish comments you are not prepared to defend. 


That would make sense if my comment was actually foolish.


And indeed it was.  A scientific theory is a type of theory?  Sure.  But that doesn't mean you could ignore the word scientific.  A scientific theory is a special case of a theory, and therefore should be treated differently.  To imply that all theories are on equal ground (which you implied even if you did not say) is foolish.  To imply that we shouldn't teach scientific theories in science class even more so.

Similarly a domesticated dog and a dog are two very different things.  Just like with different types of theories, you'd probably be ok with one being in your child's classroom, but not the other.

You're under no obligation to respond.  If you feel you have better places to embarrass yourself, then go ahead and don't allow me to stop you.  But if you're going to bring something up in a public forum, don't get upset when people challenge it.



Not religious, but I'm going to put this here for further debates for yall.

so when people say Amen after their prayer, most of them are actually calling this god without knowing it?



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RadiantDanceMachine said:

You made no replies in reference to my quotations, you made replies in reference to my occurrences which renders your "out of context" entirely obsolete, which is why I ignored a rebuttal that made no sense. I thought this was very easily understood...by anyone, I suppose I was mistaken.

You seem to not be following this procession of events at all I'm afraid.

Your claim: "Thus, if a so called Christian says "God hates X" they are either not a Christian, or at the very least sinning themselves."

Was refuted by:

1) Quite a few quotations which evidence that several things are hated as per the Bible. 

2) The number of occurences within the Bible that hate is used.

Your efforts at refuting 2) were a complete failure due to the argument itself being a non-sequitur. Namely "IFF Christ/Jesus are mentioned more than hate, then no hate exists".

No effort has been made to address 1) at any point in time until now. These efforts currently stem from nothing at all. Read the passages that contain these quotations in their entirety...nothing is taken out of context here. Feel free to look them up, surely you know where they are?

Oh dear...if you can't see the clear and marked distinction between my argument and yours, you truly are way out of your depth here.

My argument is as follows:

P1) If hate is mentioned in the bible, "god" hates something. 

P2) Hate is mentioned in the bible.

C) Ergo, god hates something.

*P1 could very easily be amended to state: "If the bible mentions that god/lord/Jesus hates X, then god hates X" based upon ample quotations of such.

Your argument:

P1) If Jesus/Christ are mentioned in the bible more than hate, then "god" doesn't hate anything. (clearly inept)

P2) Jesus/Christ are mentioned more in the bible than hate.

C) Ergo, "god" doesn't hate anything.

Hopefully this clears up your confusion since you seem wildly confused about the procession of events.

I hope you don't mind me jumping in. I haven't read this whole thread but I would like to say a couple things.

a. You should replace your arguments P1 with the amended version, as the logic of P1 without the amendment doesn't make sense. Obviously, the context of the word "hate" is important. A statement such as (this is not a passage from the bible, merely an example): "The men hated and stoned and cursed the heathens, but Jesus stepped forth and asked 'why do you throw stones at those who have not experienced God's glory? Should you not instead attempt to open their eyes to the glory of God's love?". Such a statement would obviously not support your argument.

b. Hate in the bible (judging from those passages you posted) is reserved for ideas, not for people. From that, "God hates sin" is a valid statement whereas "God hates sinners" is not. This also creates a distinction between the emotion of hate and the expression of hate. Reading between the lines, the OP seems to have been discussing hate of a group of people and not hate of an idea, however it was expressed poorly. A better thread title would likely be something along the lines of "Christianity is opposed to the expression of hate".



JWeinCom said:
ohmylanta1003 said:


That would make sense if my comment was actually foolish.


And indeed it was.  A scientific theory is a type of theory?  Sure.  But that doesn't mean you could ignore the word scientific.  A scientific theory is a special case of a theory, and therefore should be treated differently.  To imply that all theories are on equal ground (which you implied even if you did not say) is foolish.  To imply that we shouldn't teach scientific theories in science class even more so.

Similarly a domesticated dog and a dog are two very different things.  Just like with different types of theories, you'd probably be ok with one being in your child's classroom, but not the other.

You're under no obligation to respond.  If you feel you have better places to embarrass yourself, then go ahead and don't allow me to stop you.  But if you're going to bring something up in a public forum, don't get upset when people challenge it.


Clearly there is no point in talking to you. I was simply defending Spurge, because someone said he was embarrassing himself for using the word theory instead of scientific theory. What Spurge said was certainly correct and he most definitely did not "embarrass himself". A scientific theory is a subclass of theory, which means Spurge did nothing wrong. "I drove my vehicle to work today". "I drove my car to work today". Car is a subclass of vehicle, therefore, neither statement is incorrect, one is just more specific. Whoopdeefuckingdoo.



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