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Welp my edit was finally removed after a few hours. Looks like Media Create is no longer reputable. Maybe I should have tried Famitsu haha.



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PlayStation Vita Japanese Software Sales (Media Create Physical/ Famitsu Digital)

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SpokenTruth said:
Aquamarine said:
SpokenTruth said:

Wiki doesn't allow theoretical or cotnrived data.  It has to come directly from a valid source.  Even if you can prove 100% the figures are correct, it's against policy to use it unless it's published by a reputable source.

I've had these battles with them before.  

So you can't use Sony Corp IR documents / official Sony PR statements?

 

2.2 million PSV Shipments source:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/20/vita-sales-august-2012/

 

FY12 (through March 2013) PSP + PSV Shipments source:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q4_sonypre.pdf

(slide 14)

 

That's not only arbitrary, it's hypocritical.

See this article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Boy

 

Those Virtual Boy sales figures are wrong.

And the alleged "source" is some ancient 3rd-rate article that just quoted hearsay.

 

But apparently they have no problem quoting that as "fact."

 

Wikipedia is such a joke.

The Sony IR reports combine PSP and PS Vita shipments.  If they were separate, it would be valid.

As for Virtual Boy data, did you just say that GamePro was 3rd rate and quoting heresay?

I know...and it's absolute nonsense. If it's a legitimate source you should be allowed to incorporate it into the article given proper framing and context.

 

And in general, GamePro wasn't 3rd-rate...but that online "feature" Wikipedia so desperately relies on sure was.

Numerous sales figures in that article, including the Sega 32X figures and Virtual Boy figures they list...do not match sales data from the time period.

Rather, that feature seems to have sourced its numbers from hearsay and numbers taken out of their original context decades ago.

Notice how he (the author) didn't bother to cite any data sources. Nope...just "770K" like we're all supposed to take that number at face value.



Aquamarine said:
SpokenTruth said:
Aquamarine said:


Well, they could give a theoretical maximum. SCEJA gives out combined PSP + PSV shipments.

 

PSV SHIPMENTS:

DEC-2011 THROUGH JUN-2012 - 2.2 MILLION

 

PSP+PSV COMBINED SHIPMENTS:

JUL-SEP 2012 - 1.6 MILLION

OCT-DEC 2012 - 2.7 MILLION

JAN-MAR 2013 - 1.3 MILLION

FY12 (Q2-Q4) - 5.6 MILLION

 

APR-JUN 2013 - 0.6 MILLION

JUL-SEP 2013 - 0.8 MILLION

OCT-DEC 2013 - 2.0 MILLION

JAN-MAR 2014 - 0.7 MILLION

FY13 - 4.1 MILLION

 

APR-JUN 2014 - 0.75 MILLION

JUL-SEP 2014 - 0.7 MILLION

OCT-DEC 2014 - 1.4 MILLION

JAN-MAR 2015 - 0.45 MILLION

FY14 - 3.3 MILLION

 

THEORETICAL MAXIMUM PSV SHIPMENTS:

 2.2 + 5.6 + 4.1 + 3.3 = 15.2 million

 

JUL-DEC 2012 JAPANESE PSP SELL-THROUGH: 455,945

2013 JAPANESE PSP SELL-THROUGH: 439,398

2014 JAPANESE PSP SELL-THROUGH: 97,724 (DISCONTINUED)

 

THEORETICAL MAXIMUM PSV SHIPMENTS (EXCLUDING JAPANESE PSP SELL-THROUGH):

14.207 million

 

 

And the vast amount of those numbers are PSV shipments since the PSP was pretty much dead in the USA / elsewhere throughout 2012 / 2013 / 2014,

Wiki doesn't allow theoretical or cotnrived data.  It has to come directly from a valid source.  Even if you can prove 100% the figures are correct, it's against policy to use it unless it's published by a reputable source.

I've had these battles with them before.  

So you can't use Sony Corp IR documents / official Sony PR statements?

 

2.2 million PSV Shipments source:

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/20/vita-sales-august-2012/

 

FY12 (through March 2013) PSP + PSV Shipments source:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/12q4_sonypre.pdf

(slide 14)

 

FY13 (through March 2014) PSP + PSV shipments source:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/13q4_sonypre.pdf

(slide 25)

 

FY14 (through March 2015) PSP + PSV shipments source:

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/14q4_sonypre.pdf

(slide 25)

 

That's not only arbitrary, it's hypocritical.

See this article?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_Boy

 

Those Virtual Boy sales figures are wrong.

And the alleged "source" is some ancient 3rd-rate article that just quoted hearsay.

 

But apparently they have no problem quoting that as "fact."

 

Wikipedia is such a joke.


Theresca reason most Universities (at least in the UK) refuse to accept wiki as a reference ;)



RIP Dad 25/11/51 - 13/12/13. You will be missed but never forgotten.

sony not even bother to show actual vita numbers to date , why would wiki update the number?
and vgchartz number cannot been used as a argument on any site exist on internet except on vgchartz itself



SpokenTruth said:
Aquamarine said:

I know...and it's absolute nonsense. If it's a legitimate source you should be allowed to incorporate it into the article given proper framing and context.

 

And in general, GamePro wasn't 3rd-rate...but that online "feature" Wikipedia so desperately relies on sure was.

Numerous sales figures in that article, including the Sega 32X figures and Virtual Boy figures they list...do not match sales data from the time period.

Rather, that feature seems to have sourced its numbers from hearsay and numbers taken out of their original context decades ago.

Notice how he (the author) didn't bother to cite any data sources. Nope...just "770K" like we're all supposed to take that number at face value.

Doens't matter how you feel about the article or where they got their nubmers from (I've personally seen that 770,000 figure since before the 5th generation even launched).  What matters is that is considered a reputable source.

The 770K was originally the VB's shipment figure at the end of a quarter as originally announced on a news flash handed down to investors / clients...which has been erroneously distorted over the decades through hearsay into Virtual Boy "lifetime sales."

But if you look at the data, Virtual Boy continued to sell-through an existing inventory of GREATER than 770K units through 1999.

In fact, with a clearance ASP of only $27.75, Virtual Boy sold-through more units in 1997 from its large inventory than in 1995 and 1996 combined.

 

Another bizarre tidbit from the 770K Virtual Boy article:

"The 32X was the epitome of Sega's hardware failure. Launched in November 1994, this second Genesis add-on left gamers even more confused in light of the previously released Sega CD. Just how many 16-bit attachments did one need? All in all, if you were one of the unlucky souls who completely bought into Sega's add-on frenzy, you would have spent a whopping $650 dollars for something that weighed about us much as a small dog. The real problem, however, was that Sega of America (which developed the 32X) had no idea the Saturn was being developed in Japan until it was too late. As a result, the 32X was half-heartily supported for only a few months selling an unthinkably low 200,000 units."

 

Utterly nonsensical. The Sega 32X sold-through more than three times that figure.

Wikipedia's own article on Sega 32X shows 665K:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sega_32X

 

Now if any of the "editors" over on Wikipedia noticed this discrepancy, maybe they might actually start to doubt the other bizarre figures in that list and delete that source.

Or hey! Maybe the fact that the random Gamepro editorial with no sources and nothing even remotely indicating that all of these numbers are factual....should raise some eyebrows in the first place!

Or maybe the Wikipedia editors are hypocritical. Can't allow official Sony ranges to give context to Vita sales numbers, but a sketchy GamePro editorial is totally fine? Okay guys.



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Yeah, Wikipedia is far from reliable with these things. And reading some of the comments here it'd probably be best to just ignore it and to move on.



 

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