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generic-user-1 said:
sales2099 said:

Not true.....Ireland has rebels that want to change the governent policies, so does Ukraine with the pro-russia rebels. In these cases, they are also terrorists. Good ol white people. Because they have political motivations.

American and French revolutions were acts of terrorism. They had political motivations, nobody is going to argue with that. Was that supposed to disprove my claim?

the ira and the fighters from east ukraine are not terrorists because you just can be a terrorist in democracy.

"Because you just can't" (I assume can means can't) isn't a viable counter. You can very much be considered a terrorist in a democracy if you want to change the political/religious landscape.



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sales2099 said:
generic-user-1 said:
sales2099 said:
 

Not true.....Ireland has rebels that want to change the governent policies, so does Ukraine with the pro-russia rebels. In these cases, they are also terrorists. Good ol white people. Because they have political motivations.

American and French revolutions were acts of terrorism. They had political motivations, nobody is going to argue with that. Was that supposed to disprove my claim?

the ira and the fighters from east ukraine are not terrorists because you just can be a terrorist in democracy.

"Because you just can't" (I assume can means can't) isn't a viable counter. You can very much be considered a terrorist in a democracy if you want to change the political/religious landscape.

no its can.  you cant be a terrorist in a monarchy, or an oligarchy.  killing dictator isnt a crime, its a step towards your birthright, freedom.



generic-user-1 said:
sales2099 said:

"Because you just can't" (I assume can means can't) isn't a viable counter. You can very much be considered a terrorist in a democracy if you want to change the political/religious landscape.

no its can.  you cant be a terrorist in a monarchy, or an oligarchy.  killing dictator isnt a crime, its a step towards your birthright, freedom.

I'm confused, we referring to democracies or dictatorships? Cause I thought this was about western countries and their definition of a terrorist. Elected officials, no matter what your views are of democratic election processes, are not dictatorships.



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sales2099 said:
generic-user-1 said:
sales2099 said:
 

"Because you just can't" (I assume can means can't) isn't a viable counter. You can very much be considered a terrorist in a democracy if you want to change the political/religious landscape.

no its can.  you cant be a terrorist in a monarchy, or an oligarchy.  killing dictator isnt a crime, its a step towards your birthright, freedom.

I'm confused, we referring to democracies or dictatorships? Cause I thought this was about western countries and their definition of a terrorist. Elected officials, no matter what your views are of democratic election processes, are not dictatorships.


you can be a terrorist in a democracy but you cant be a terrorist in a dictatorship.   

the uk is very complicated, its a semi democratic theocracy. killing the PM or terrorising people at elections would be terrorism. killing the queen or soldiers on the other side isnt.  

and the ukraine hadnt a real vote they just voted in the west to legitimice a coop by nazis and oligarchs for the press.



generic-user-1 said:
Aeolus451 said:
Arlo said:
Every individual should be charged based on their crime--not based on what categories we might put them in. Using such a category as a basis for conviction just brings bias and political pressure into the mix.

Aren't they already doing that? It's not working.

Punishments need to be harsher for gangs to discourage people from joining a gang or staying in one. 

yeah sure...   that why you have so many gangs in northern europe and so little in the US...

harsh punishment creates the gangs in the first place, why should i steal a car radio or sell pirated movies from my van if i get allmost the same punishment as someone who robs a bank? 3 strike laws, harsh punishment for minor crimes and bad prisons create gangs...

Harsh punishment and prisons create gangs......

The culture in poor communities create gangs. Joining a gang for easy money, protection from gangs, notoriety and to become something they look up to. It's a never ending cycle that they started. 

Make it easier to arrest people for gang activity. Use military resources to gather intel and enough compelling evidence of gang activity then do a mass raid. If they resist arrest violently, shoot 'em. 

Solitary confinement and no communication with other prisoners would stop recruitment and gang activity in prisons. Gang members would be placed in special prisons. Add some kind of education and better rehabilitation programs into that prison system for non violent gang members. 

Harsher punishments for violent gang members in general. An expedited death penality would work for it.

Ban any music with gang related content, paint over any gang symbols/markings in the streets and make using any gang signs illegal/fined heavily. Smother the culture that spawns gangs with education and social pressure to reform/become productive members of society. No more of this "gang activity is cool" crap.

Hit 'em hard everywhere (arrests), punish more severely and creatively, have society shun them and publically humiliate 'em. Rinse and repeat until their morale is broken/gangs disband.



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Yes. They are a danger to society and spread terror and intimidation and therefore terrorists by definition.



spurgeonryan said:

I live near Chicago or chiraq and joliet, Illinois. Then after this stupid Janitor situation....

Terrorist!

 

http://abc30.com/news/janitor-attacked-by-gang-members-for-wearing-the-color-blue-in-madera-police-say/727903/


It't impossible to live that close to both Chicao and Joliet since they are approximately 53 miles apart.



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amp316 said:
spurgeonryan said:

I live near Chicago or chiraq and joliet, Illinois. Then after this stupid Janitor situation....

Terrorist!

 

http://abc30.com/news/janitor-attacked-by-gang-members-for-wearing-the-color-blue-in-madera-police-say/727903/


It't impossible to live that close to both Chicao and Joliet since they are approximately 53 miles apart.

No its not. If your drive is about 30 minutes to each from where you live, then you can say you live near them. But I'm not sure where spurge lives.

Where I am now its about that time to get to Joliet and Chicago.



Well...yeah. If they commit acts of terror, then I would call them terrorists.



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