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Goatseye on 20 May 2015
Samus Aran said:
Goatseye said:

Really? Where can I read on that?

Cicero's Pro Milone gives a nice account of gang related violence in Ancient Rome. It's a source written in defense of Milo, who was accused of killing Clodius Pulcher. Cicero was too much of a coward to read it out loud at the trial though, and Milo was convicted (he would've probably been cleared if Cicero read it out loud). It speaks to itself that this is a one sided source of the events that happened in Rome. It's biased in other words. Still very much worth a read.

Collegia were also often criminal organisations that would be considered gangs these days.

Thanks man.



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Arlo on 20 May 2015

Every individual should be charged based on their crime--not based on what categories we might put them in. Using such a category as a basis for conviction just brings bias and political pressure into the mix.



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Aeolus451 on 20 May 2015
Arlo said:
Every individual should be charged based on their crime--not based on what categories we might put them in. Using such a category as a basis for conviction just brings bias and political pressure into the mix.

Aren't they already doing that? It's not working.

Punishments need to be harsher for gangs to discourage people from joining a gang or staying in one. 



Arlo on 21 May 2015
Aeolus451 said:
Arlo said:
Every individual should be charged based on their crime--not based on what categories we might put them in. Using such a category as a basis for conviction just brings bias and political pressure into the mix.

Aren't they already doing that? It's not working.

Punishments need to be harsher for gangs to discourage people from joining a gang or staying in one. 

From what I hear, "setting examples" and charging exactly this way--based on these positions and whatnot--is incredibly common.  Even if it weren't however, I wouldn't say that it's a matter of it not working.  Regardless of how we charge, there are other factors that are contributing to crime, and they're not going to change based on sentences.  Addressing the issues after the fact is treating the symptom, not the problem.  That's why I feel it's only fair to take everything case-by-case to actually ensure justice for everyone.



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Dusk on 21 May 2015

If they commit acts of terror, then yes, they are terrorists.



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Zappykins on 21 May 2015

Absolutely, that is what they are. A group of people that terrorist others. Course, if we made drugs legal most would lose their source of revenue. So I think that would be a better choice.

And the same thing with 'graffiti.' It's paint vandalism designed to intimated, course and scare others. It should be treated like terrorism too.



 

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generic-user-1 on 21 May 2015
Aeolus451 said:
Arlo said:
Every individual should be charged based on their crime--not based on what categories we might put them in. Using such a category as a basis for conviction just brings bias and political pressure into the mix.

Aren't they already doing that? It's not working.

Punishments need to be harsher for gangs to discourage people from joining a gang or staying in one. 

yeah sure...   that why you have so many gangs in northern europe and so little in the US...

harsh punishment creates the gangs in the first place, why should i steal a car radio or sell pirated movies from my van if i get allmost the same punishment as someone who robs a bank? 3 strike laws, harsh punishment for minor crimes and bad prisons create gangs...



marioboy2004 on 21 May 2015

abortion doctors can be called terrorists



Jon-Erich on 21 May 2015
spurgeonryan said:
Aeolus451 said:
If that what it takes to end street gangs and that mentality then yes.


Well gang violence in this form has been around for what? 40 years now? Time for some solution.

It's been much longer than that. Technically, they've always been here but it started getting bad during the 1920 when alcohol was owtlawed for a decade. For the last century, people failed to realize that everytime something that has some kind of demand is banned, crime goes up. They banned alcohol. The street gangs made money off of it. They banned all sorts of drugs. Street gangs benefited from it. Now people want to ban guns. Yeah, I'm sure criminals and street gangs would be more than willing to hand over their guns.



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Frank_kc on 21 May 2015

Dont you guys know that terrorist is reserved for Muslims?

They will describe gang members as mentally sick but will never use the word terrorist (i.e. timothy mcveigh, Columbine School shooting, Virginia Tech Shooting, Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting, etc.....)