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fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

When did downgrading = optimising?

Optimising would be to give PC users the actual high end versio they showed last summer and consoles the current version. Also a mid range PC will run this game at an easy 60fps 1080p so what you mean is low end pcs. This is why I complain - the majority of pc owners are getting stuck with low end games for yet another generation and it is due to lazy developers who don't know what option settings are in a game engine. Hell, the new consoles were even made to make porting to PCs easy and allow for option boosts. There is no excuse nowadays for a bad pc port.

There is a myth out there that anything that looks great must run on some multi $1000 dollar machine. That is simply wrong. A very good gpu only costs about £120 now (a gpu at least x2 more powerful tahn the ps4), and a very high end gpu costs £220. So in short, a cheap pc will run rings around any game at 1080p and has done so for years. 

After what you said about low and mid range PC's, you have even less of a reason to complain.

If they are getting a better product than the gamers who will be generating more revenue (consoles), then theres no question of a bad port.

I may be wrong, but I believe the PC version was the lead platform.

Back to the point, the downgrade issue was about the trailer they initially showed and yes, it would require a $1000+ PC to run it like that, so im glad they didnt bother with that for the minority who need to justify how much they paid for their PC, and instead cared more about the consoles and low/mid range PC's.

http://i.imgur.com/fHs9WgH.jpg

The top version could be ran on a modern mid range pc at 1080p 30fps, with a top gpu(so that's only a £230 gpu, not a £500-£1000 gpu like people think) running it at 60+fps at 1080p. If you want to argue about price, then post the specs CD R said the pc was (or are you just guessing?). The top image also looks like a next gen game. 

The bottom image is a joke; poor lightning, low res textures, terrible draw distance, no tesselation or any surface variation for that matter etc. A company that can't make a decent graphics engine makes you wonder about their competency as programmers. If they couldn't do that, then how buggy will this game be? How much effort have they actually put in etc? How much of what they are claiming is in fact more rubbish and PR lying to fans.

At the end of the day, good graphics make a game more immersive so this is a big loss to a lot of people and I won't be buying a game that looks so bad.



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TheJimbo1234 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

When did downgrading = optimising?

Optimising would be to give PC users the actual high end versio they showed last summer and consoles the current version. Also a mid range PC will run this game at an easy 60fps 1080p so what you mean is low end pcs. This is why I complain - the majority of pc owners are getting stuck with low end games for yet another generation and it is due to lazy developers who don't know what option settings are in a game engine. Hell, the new consoles were even made to make porting to PCs easy and allow for option boosts. There is no excuse nowadays for a bad pc port.

There is a myth out there that anything that looks great must run on some multi $1000 dollar machine. That is simply wrong. A very good gpu only costs about £120 now (a gpu at least x2 more powerful tahn the ps4), and a very high end gpu costs £220. So in short, a cheap pc will run rings around any game at 1080p and has done so for years. 

After what you said about low and mid range PC's, you have even less of a reason to complain.

If they are getting a better product than the gamers who will be generating more revenue (consoles), then theres no question of a bad port.

I may be wrong, but I believe the PC version was the lead platform.

Back to the point, the downgrade issue was about the trailer they initially showed and yes, it would require a $1000+ PC to run it like that, so im glad they didnt bother with that for the minority who need to justify how much they paid for their PC, and instead cared more about the consoles and low/mid range PC's.

http://i.imgur.com/fHs9WgH.jpg

The top version could be ran on a modern mid range pc at 1080p 30fps, with a top gpu(so that's only a £230 gpu, not a £500-£1000 gpu like people think) running it at 60+fps at 1080p. If you want to argue about price, then post the specs CD R said the pc was (or are you just guessing?). The top image also looks like a next gen game. 

The bottom image is a joke; poor lightning, low res textures, terrible draw distance, no tesselation or any surface variation for that matter etc. A company that can't make a decent graphics engine makes you wonder about their competency as programmers. If they couldn't do that, then how buggy will this game be? How much effort have they actually put in etc? How much of what they are claiming is in fact more rubbish and PR lying to fans.

At the end of the day, good graphics make a game more immersive so this is a big loss to a lot of people and I won't be buying a game that looks so bad.

Yeah because all a PC needs is a £230 GPU (already almost as much as a console costs) isnt it?

And I never mentioned a $500-1000 GPU, I mentioned a $1000 PC which is what you would need if you wanted to run the game as it looked originally. No guessing, just an obvious statement to make.

You might consider the bottom image to be a 'joke', but thats what most games look like to most PC gamers. Just because devs showed you the max capabilities of the games engine, it doesnt mean most people were going to play it at that setting, and the only point im making... im glad that they didnt consume resources in pleasing the minority which would have either led to another delay, or sacrificing optimisation on the hardware most people will be playing the game on.



generic-user-1 said:
gamingpotato7 said:

Go on PC users, boycott the game and then The Witcher 4 will be console exclusive because you are just not worth it. Why don't you care about the 99% of PC gamers that don't have your elitist ideals and wealth to have graphics card that cost more than a console? They can't play the game like what you wish the game looked like. The PC version will still be better than consoles, will have upgrades in time and mods will make it look better even, but still will only be enjoyed by 1% of pc gamers. Just stop trying to justify the money you spent building your rig and accept that it was a waste of money for the most time and that 99% of the other pc gamers don't care for this unless they are delusional and think their rigs could play this game on Ultra.

It's exactly like those ultra real images of Crysis or Skyrim modded. Sure they are possible, but very few can actually play the game like that. Not all pcs are better or even close to PS4 or XBox One power, it is the truth. The optimization is also much more difficult in PC because of all configurations and OS overhead. If this polemic affects CD Projekt Red it means you elitists are louder than you should, not that they did a bad job or that the game is bad in any way.


you mean a 150$ gpu?

TheJimbo1234 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

When did downgrading = optimising?

Optimising would be to give PC users the actual high end versio they showed last summer and consoles the current version. Also a mid range PC will run this game at an easy 60fps 1080p so what you mean is low end pcs. This is why I complain - the majority of pc owners are getting stuck with low end games for yet another generation and it is due to lazy developers who don't know what option settings are in a game engine. Hell, the new consoles were even made to make porting to PCs easy and allow for option boosts. There is no excuse nowadays for a bad pc port.

There is a myth out there that anything that looks great must run on some multi $1000 dollar machine. That is simply wrong. A very good gpu only costs about £120 now (a gpu at least x2 more powerful tahn the ps4), and a very high end gpu costs £220. So in short, a cheap pc will run rings around any game at 1080p and has done so for years. 

After what you said about low and mid range PC's, you have even less of a reason to complain.

If they are getting a better product than the gamers who will be generating more revenue (consoles), then theres no question of a bad port.

I may be wrong, but I believe the PC version was the lead platform.

Back to the point, the downgrade issue was about the trailer they initially showed and yes, it would require a $1000+ PC to run it like that, so im glad they didnt bother with that for the minority who need to justify how much they paid for their PC, and instead cared more about the consoles and low/mid range PC's.

http://i.imgur.com/fHs9WgH.jpg

The top version could be ran on a modern mid range pc at 1080p 30fps, with a top gpu(so that's only a £230 gpu, not a £500-£1000 gpu like people think) running it at 60+fps at 1080p. If you want to argue about price, then post the specs CD R said the pc was (or are you just guessing?). The top image also looks like a next gen game. 

The bottom image is a joke; poor lightning, low res textures, terrible draw distance, no tesselation or any surface variation for that matter etc. A company that can't make a decent graphics engine makes you wonder about their competency as programmers. If they couldn't do that, then how buggy will this game be? How much effort have they actually put in etc? How much of what they are claiming is in fact more rubbish and PR lying to fans.

At the end of the day, good graphics make a game more immersive so this is a big loss to a lot of people and I won't be buying a game that looks so bad.

What? A $150 GPU (the dollar is strong) like Nvidia GTX 750 Ti can play games like Crysis 3 and Battlefield 4 in 1080p with full detail only at around 15-25 fps and even then it struggles greatly. A $250 like Radeon R9 280 plays them at roughly 30-40 fps and only when reaching a $400 plus GPU like GTX 780 Ti is when it is possible to have 60fps stable. And we are talking about these two games. Now talking about a open world RPG like The Witcher 3 with those upper visuals? Never, simply impossible to have something running well even in 30fps with less than $300-400 GPUs.



fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

When did downgrading = optimising?

Optimising would be to give PC users the actual high end versio they showed last summer and consoles the current version. Also a mid range PC will run this game at an easy 60fps 1080p so what you mean is low end pcs. This is why I complain - the majority of pc owners are getting stuck with low end games for yet another generation and it is due to lazy developers who don't know what option settings are in a game engine. Hell, the new consoles were even made to make porting to PCs easy and allow for option boosts. There is no excuse nowadays for a bad pc port.

There is a myth out there that anything that looks great must run on some multi $1000 dollar machine. That is simply wrong. A very good gpu only costs about £120 now (a gpu at least x2 more powerful tahn the ps4), and a very high end gpu costs £220. So in short, a cheap pc will run rings around any game at 1080p and has done so for years. 

After what you said about low and mid range PC's, you have even less of a reason to complain.

If they are getting a better product than the gamers who will be generating more revenue (consoles), then theres no question of a bad port.

I may be wrong, but I believe the PC version was the lead platform.

Back to the point, the downgrade issue was about the trailer they initially showed and yes, it would require a $1000+ PC to run it like that, so im glad they didnt bother with that for the minority who need to justify how much they paid for their PC, and instead cared more about the consoles and low/mid range PC's.

http://i.imgur.com/fHs9WgH.jpg

The top version could be ran on a modern mid range pc at 1080p 30fps, with a top gpu(so that's only a £230 gpu, not a £500-£1000 gpu like people think) running it at 60+fps at 1080p. If you want to argue about price, then post the specs CD R said the pc was (or are you just guessing?). The top image also looks like a next gen game. 

The bottom image is a joke; poor lightning, low res textures, terrible draw distance, no tesselation or any surface variation for that matter etc. A company that can't make a decent graphics engine makes you wonder about their competency as programmers. If they couldn't do that, then how buggy will this game be? How much effort have they actually put in etc? How much of what they are claiming is in fact more rubbish and PR lying to fans.

At the end of the day, good graphics make a game more immersive so this is a big loss to a lot of people and I won't be buying a game that looks so bad.

Yeah because all a PC needs is a £230 GPU (already almost as much as a console costs) isnt it?

And I never mentioned a $500-1000 GPU, I mentioned a $1000 PC which is what you would need if you wanted to run the game as it looked originally. No guessing, just an obvious statement to make.

You might consider the bottom image to be a 'joke', but thats what most games look like to most PC gamers. Just because devs showed you the max capabilities of the games engine, it doesnt mean most people were going to play it at that setting, and the only point im making... im glad that they didnt consume resources in pleasing the minority which would have either led to another delay, or sacrificing optimisation on the hardware most people will be playing the game on.

A £600 pc is cheap frankly. Most peoples phones cost more and are replaced after 2 years so if you are complaining about people able to buy a mid range pc then that is your problem and issue to deal with (e.g. any half decent job can allow you to buy that type of pc every month). As I said, PC gamers are fed up of being held back by the consoles and a huge market is losing out because of this (PC gaming is larger than that of the 8th gen market so actually you are wrong about it being the minority). You can eat garbage and claim it tastes great, but don't complain when people disagree.



TheJimbo1234 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:
fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

When did downgrading = optimising?

Optimising would be to give PC users the actual high end versio they showed last summer and consoles the current version. Also a mid range PC will run this game at an easy 60fps 1080p so what you mean is low end pcs. This is why I complain - the majority of pc owners are getting stuck with low end games for yet another generation and it is due to lazy developers who don't know what option settings are in a game engine. Hell, the new consoles were even made to make porting to PCs easy and allow for option boosts. There is no excuse nowadays for a bad pc port.

There is a myth out there that anything that looks great must run on some multi $1000 dollar machine. That is simply wrong. A very good gpu only costs about £120 now (a gpu at least x2 more powerful tahn the ps4), and a very high end gpu costs £220. So in short, a cheap pc will run rings around any game at 1080p and has done so for years. 

After what you said about low and mid range PC's, you have even less of a reason to complain.

If they are getting a better product than the gamers who will be generating more revenue (consoles), then theres no question of a bad port.

I may be wrong, but I believe the PC version was the lead platform.

Back to the point, the downgrade issue was about the trailer they initially showed and yes, it would require a $1000+ PC to run it like that, so im glad they didnt bother with that for the minority who need to justify how much they paid for their PC, and instead cared more about the consoles and low/mid range PC's.

http://i.imgur.com/fHs9WgH.jpg

The top version could be ran on a modern mid range pc at 1080p 30fps, with a top gpu(so that's only a £230 gpu, not a £500-£1000 gpu like people think) running it at 60+fps at 1080p. If you want to argue about price, then post the specs CD R said the pc was (or are you just guessing?). The top image also looks like a next gen game. 

The bottom image is a joke; poor lightning, low res textures, terrible draw distance, no tesselation or any surface variation for that matter etc. A company that can't make a decent graphics engine makes you wonder about their competency as programmers. If they couldn't do that, then how buggy will this game be? How much effort have they actually put in etc? How much of what they are claiming is in fact more rubbish and PR lying to fans.

At the end of the day, good graphics make a game more immersive so this is a big loss to a lot of people and I won't be buying a game that looks so bad.

Yeah because all a PC needs is a £230 GPU (already almost as much as a console costs) isnt it?

And I never mentioned a $500-1000 GPU, I mentioned a $1000 PC which is what you would need if you wanted to run the game as it looked originally. No guessing, just an obvious statement to make.

You might consider the bottom image to be a 'joke', but thats what most games look like to most PC gamers. Just because devs showed you the max capabilities of the games engine, it doesnt mean most people were going to play it at that setting, and the only point im making... im glad that they didnt consume resources in pleasing the minority which would have either led to another delay, or sacrificing optimisation on the hardware most people will be playing the game on.

A £600 pc is cheap frankly. Most peoples phones cost more and are replaced after 2 years so if you are complaining about people able to buy a mid range pc then that is your problem and issue to deal with (e.g. any half decent job can allow you to buy that type of pc every month). As I said, PC gamers are fed up of being held back by the consoles and a huge market is losing out because of this (PC gaming is larger than that of the 8th gen market so actually you are wrong about it being the minority). You can eat garbage and claim it tastes great, but don't complain when people disagree.


lol you still dont get it do you?

You are focusing too much on console vs pc to see anything else.

This thread is about the downgrade from a level of detail PC which the majority of gamers have wouldnt be capable of running.

Dont play the 'pc v console' card, when its really just <5% of PC gamers that are impacted by this downgrade because everyone else wouldnt have achieved that level of detail with their PC specifications, even if the game was released with those option settings.

Once again, I state that the only point in making here is that the revenue minority of high end PC gamers will generate for CD projeckt isnt enough for them to put the effort in when it would be more logical optimising the game to be best as it can on consoles, and optimised so more low-mid end PC gamers can get more from their hardware.

I dread the day when/if greater resources are allocated to PC elitists instead of the gamers who will account for the most revenue.



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fps_d0minat0r said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

A £600 pc is cheap frankly. Most peoples phones cost more and are replaced after 2 years so if you are complaining about people able to buy a mid range pc then that is your problem and issue to deal with (e.g. any half decent job can allow you to buy that type of pc every month). As I said, PC gamers are fed up of being held back by the consoles and a huge market is losing out because of this (PC gaming is larger than that of the 8th gen market so actually you are wrong about it being the minority). You can eat garbage and claim it tastes great, but don't complain when people disagree.


lol you still dont get it do you?

You are focusing too much on console vs pc to see anything else.

This thread is about the downgrade from a level of detail PC which the majority of gamers have wouldnt be capable of running. 

Dont play the 'pc v console' card, when its really just <5% of PC gamers that are impacted by this downgrade because everyone else wouldnt have achieved that level of detail with their PC specifications, even if the game was released with those option settings.

Once again, I state that the only point in making here is that the revenue minority of high end PC gamers will generate for CD projeckt isnt enough for them to put the effort in when it would be more logical optimising the game to be best as it can on consoles, and optimised so more low-mid end PC gamers can get more from their hardware.

I dread the day when/if greater resources are allocated to PC elitists instead of the gamers who will account for the most revenue.


You are making most of these facts up. You have no idea what the average PC is capable running nowadays so stop assuming that they couldn't play this game as it looked. You are also ignoring the simple option of graphics settings. Can't run at ultra? Try low settings then. 

Again, assuming that a) few high end gamers exist (which is wrong b) you have to be high end to play it how it was (even though I have said otherwise). You are now just making things up to justify why a brand new game should look pants.



TheJimbo1234 said:

You are making most of these facts up. You have no idea what the average PC is capable running nowadays so stop assuming that they couldn't play this game as it looked. You are also ignoring the simple option of graphics settings. Can't run at ultra? Try low settings then. 

Again, assuming that a) few high end gamers exist (which is wrong b) you have to be high end to play it how it was (even though I have said otherwise). You are now just making things up to justify why a brand new game should look pants.


I'd assume he has an idea. Actually we know what  an average PC would do, since Steam publish this data. You'd be surprised about the results.



michael_stutzer said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

You are making most of these facts up. You have no idea what the average PC is capable running nowadays so stop assuming that they couldn't play this game as it looked. You are also ignoring the simple option of graphics settings. Can't run at ultra? Try low settings then. 

Again, assuming that a) few high end gamers exist (which is wrong b) you have to be high end to play it how it was (even though I have said otherwise). You are now just making things up to justify why a brand new game should look pants.


I'd assume he has an idea. Actually we know what  an average PC would do, since Steam publish this data. You'd be surprised about the results.

Since someone else opted to use Steam data (most non PC users seem to cite this more so than actual PC gamers which is weird), I'd like to ask, do you think that Steam HWS is 100% correct, does it encompasse all PC gamers despite the fact you can opt out? (I opted out years ago).



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Chazore said:
michael_stutzer said:
TheJimbo1234 said:

You are making most of these facts up. You have no idea what the average PC is capable running nowadays so stop assuming that they couldn't play this game as it looked. You are also ignoring the simple option of graphics settings. Can't run at ultra? Try low settings then. 

Again, assuming that a) few high end gamers exist (which is wrong b) you have to be high end to play it how it was (even though I have said otherwise). You are now just making things up to justify why a brand new game should look pants.


I'd assume he has an idea. Actually we know what  an average PC would do, since Steam publish this data. You'd be surprised about the results.

Since someone else opted to use Steam data (most non PC users seem to cite this more so than actual PC gamers which is weird), I'd like to ask, do you think that Steam HWS is 100% correct, does it encompasse all PC gamers despite the fact you can opt out? (I opted out years ago).

Before that I'd like to ask, how do you know who is a PC gamer and who is not? It is interesting to me.



michael_stutzer said:

Before that I'd like to ask, how do you know who is a PC gamer and who is not? It is interesting to me.

What kind of "interesting"?, most people I've seen phrase it like that usually want to find something new to argue about, I doubt you finding out isn't going to change the answer you were originally going to give.



Step right up come on in, feel the buzz in your veins, I'm like an chemical electrical right into your brain and I'm the one who killed the Radio, soon you'll all see

So pay up motherfuckers you belong to "V"