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Mummelmann on 21 May 2015
bunchanumbers said:
I'm definitely not a expert, but wouldn't the speed of the HBM alleviate some of this? I thought that the speed difference of HBM was massive compared to GDDR5.


To my knowledge; this will mostly affect how fast you collect and cycle the samples but it won't help storing/processing more samples, which will ultimately hold it back from bigger potential rendering capacity.



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Eddie_Raja on 21 May 2015
SubiyaCryolite said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Tons of info in the OP is wrong.

Which parts? Most of the info is straight from AMDs presenation?


I mean just off the top of my head I know the 390X with 4GB of HBM would be 4096-bit.  Honestly I don't remember the rest without re-reading it.  Go to WCCFTech they have a few really could synopsises of the 390X info/rumors.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja on 21 May 2015
Mummelmann said:
Turkish said:
No 8GB card is such a mistake.

Thus I'm still saving for a Titan X, though there'll probably cheaper 8GB cards by the time I'm ready. I need 8GB min to replace my 2GB 670, the vram usage is gonna explode at 1440p/4K the coming years and 4GB is not gonna cut it.


Yeah, I'm also going full 1440p and need more video RAM and power.

I honestly don't know what AMD are thinking here.

They just don't have a choice.  HBM is brand new and so yeilds are low.  They can only make half the cards if they stick 8GB on the boards.

If it beats the Titan X by 30% and costs $150 less would you really choose the Titan?



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

Eddie_Raja on 21 May 2015
bunchanumbers said:
I'm definitely not a expert, but wouldn't the speed of the HBM alleviate some of this? I thought that the speed difference of HBM was massive compared to GDDR5.


It is double the fastest GDDR5 cards, and on top of that it is by using a massive bus (Bigger bus > than higher speed if they are equal in total bandwidth).



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

haxxiy on 21 May 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Tons of info in the OP is wrong.

Which parts? Most of the info is straight from AMDs presenation?


I mean just off the top of my head I know the 390X with 4GB of HBM would be 4096-bit.  Honestly I don't remember the rest without re-reading it.  Go to WCCFTech they have a few really could synopsises of the 390X info/rumors.

The same WCCFTech claims the R9 390 chips will be Hawaii based, that is, GTX 970 levels. I think you are mixing it up. The Fiji chips with HBM memory supposedly will not be using the same nomenclature, and I bet they are probably around Titan levels, not significantly better.

Edit - I'm more interested on see how the Zen CPUs will turn out instead of this last bath of 28nm monstruosities. I mean, Bulldozer/Vishera was a huge letdown. I just discovered that on a per core, per clock basis, they are worse than the Phenom IIs. How messed up is that? If I were AMD, I would be showing the door to some developers right away...

 



 

 

 

 

 

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JEMC on 21 May 2015
Eddie_Raja said:
bunchanumbers said:
I'm definitely not a expert, but wouldn't the speed of the HBM alleviate some of this? I thought that the speed difference of HBM was massive compared to GDDR5.


It is double the fastest GDDR5 cards, and on top of that it is by using a massive bus (Bigger bus > than higher speed if they are equal in total bandwidth).

HBM is not twice as fast as GDDR5, at least not in this first iteration.

A card with 4 stacks of 1GB of HBM will have a total bandwidth of 512GB/s while the TitanX has 336GB/s and the 290X 320GB/s.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9266/amd-hbm-deep-dive/4



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JEMC on 22 May 2015



Please excuse my bad English.

Currently gaming on a PC with an i5-4670k@stock (for now), 16Gb RAM 1600 MHz and a GTX 1070

Steam / Live / NNID : jonxiquet    Add me if you want, but I'm a single player gamer.

Eddie_Raja on 23 May 2015
haxxiy said:
Eddie_Raja said:
SubiyaCryolite said:
Eddie_Raja said:
Tons of info in the OP is wrong.

Which parts? Most of the info is straight from AMDs presenation?


I mean just off the top of my head I know the 390X with 4GB of HBM would be 4096-bit.  Honestly I don't remember the rest without re-reading it.  Go to WCCFTech they have a few really could synopsises of the 390X info/rumors.

The same WCCFTech claims the R9 390 chips will be Hawaii based, that is, GTX 970 levels. I think you are mixing it up. The Fiji chips with HBM memory supposedly will not be using the same nomenclature, and I bet they are probably around Titan levels, not significantly better.

I am confused about what you are saying.  They have said several times that the top Fiji should meet or beat the Titan.



Prediction for console Lifetime sales:

Wii:100-120 million, PS3:80-110 million, 360:70-100 million

[Prediction Made 11/5/2009]

3DS: 65m, PSV: 22m, Wii U: 18-22m, PS4: 80-120m, X1: 35-55m

I gauruntee the PS5 comes out after only 5-6 years after the launch of the PS4.

[Prediction Made 6/18/2014]

SubiyaCryolite on 23 May 2015
JEMC said:

Soon :)



I predict that the Wii U will sell a total of 18 million units in its lifetime. 

The NX will be a 900p machine

beeje13 on 23 May 2015

If they do get the 40% higher IPC for ZEN, and keep the high clock rates of the bulldozer/piledriver/excavator chips, I can see them being pretty much level with Intel. If they can also keep their lower prices, it will be an easy choice for a CPU for a gaming rig.

Once again, that's a big if, 40% is huge.



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