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Halo: MCC is a Black Eye for Us "Halo 5 Made By Completely Different Team", Says Frank O'Connor

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Mr Puggsly said:
hunter_alien said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Its a shame that Halo:MCC being a mess at launch has completely overshadowed it becoming arguably the best software on 8th gen consoles.


And the 7th and the 6th...  Lets be honest when it comes down to original content even the Xone has a couple of titles that are way ahead of MCC.

OT: it was expected the itle seemed like an ambitious mess from the beginning. They should have only remastered them separatly and make it avaialble as digital download. Having connectivity issues months after release is not the sign of a AAA franchise. EVen Battlefield 4 and DC got their act together ina  timelier manner :?

 

Frankly, I dont believe anything offers more entertainment and value than MCC. Which is expected given its a bundle of four great games with multiplayer. Its something I believe will remain fairly popular throughout this console generation.

 

Its also been working great for several months now but some still its broken. BF4 was handeld by a major studio by the way. MCC was rushed and handled by small 3rd parties.


True. But as original content I would personally pick other titles for an Xone, games like Sunset Overdrive or Dead Rising 3. The fact that it was made by a small studio is Microsofts issue. IMO when somebody buys Halo they want the best the industry can offer. Lets be honest, its by far their biggest IP.



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hunter_alien said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Frankly, I dont believe anything offers more entertainment and value than MCC. Which is expected given its a bundle of four great games with multiplayer. Its something I believe will remain fairly popular throughout this console generation.

 

Its also been working great for several months now but some still its broken. BF4 was handeld by a major studio by the way. MCC was rushed and handled by small 3rd parties.


True. But as original content I would personally pick other titles for an Xone, games like Sunset Overdrive or Dead Rising 3. The fact that it was made by a small studio is Microsofts issue. IMO when somebody buys Halo they want the best the industry can offer. Lets be honest, its by far their biggest IP.

I get what youre saying, but its pretty obvious more people prefer playing remasters of past Halo games than most new games.

Frankly, Halo MCC was a mess at launch because it was rushed. Not because a lack of talent porting the games. Even Bungie would struggle in the time frame given.

No shame in Halo being the best thing they offer. Halo is fantastic, amongst the best IPs ever and probably the most popular exclusive core IP. MS made a blunder at launch, it works great now, and its still improving. Time to stop whining about the game and start enjoying the game.



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I personally never had doubts on the technical quality of Halo 5, that's not what I worry about with regards to what MCC means for Halo. Rather, I am concerned with the damage the brand took from the blunder. I mean, MCC was a debacle of epic proportions that was the punchline of the entire industry for over a month. That's not good for the image of Halo.



Important info here... Is 343 has at least 2 teams capable of working on large projects... The rest is just known stuff... Anyone that really follows halo stuff knows halo 5 will be smooth like a oiled buttox... And even that MCC fiasco has been fixed and is among the best games out right now and even if the fuck up gives them bad points the make up by far surpasses what most studio ever did in those cases in the industry proving that 343 is an excellent and really efficient studio and not the opposite....



Guitarguy said:

I personally don't think Halo5 will be 100% ready by launch.


How many AAA games ARE these days? Huge budgeted games ship unfinished every single time now. It's a problem that no one seems to notice and no one seems to care about.

Games shipping broken and/or not 100% complete and tested is why I get more excited about great indie games now isntead of AAA.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
Guitarguy said:

I personally don't think Halo5 will be 100% ready by launch.


How many AAA games ARE these days? Huge budgeted games ship unfinished every single time now. It's a problem that no one seems to notice and no one seems to care about.

Games shipping broken and/or not 100% complete and tested is why I get more excited about great indie games now isntead of AAA.

Even lower budget and indie games get patched.

If you dont like broken/buggy games then simply avoid them at launch. Also, you just might prefer. retro inspired indie games.



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jlmurph2 said:
Guitarguy said:


Time will tell.


You're not giving very good reasons for your skepticism.

Im sorry but 343 hasnt been around all that long and if a companies last game had issues like MCC then its more than enough reason for skeptism alone. Asking someone to give multiple reasons when you have that sort of blunder on your record is silly. Futhermore given the current state of the industry games like COD, BF, MCC all released with online multiplayer issues its fast becoming standard.

Mr Puggsly said:
hunter_alien said:
Mr Puggsly said:
Its a shame that Halo:MCC being a mess at launch has completely overshadowed it becoming arguably the best software on 8th gen consoles.


And the 7th and the 6th...  Lets be honest when it comes down to original content even the Xone has a couple of titles that are way ahead of MCC.

OT: it was expected the itle seemed like an ambitious mess from the beginning. They should have only remastered them separatly and make it avaialble as digital download. Having connectivity issues months after release is not the sign of a AAA franchise. EVen Battlefield 4 and DC got their act together ina  timelier manner :?

 

Frankly, I dont believe anything offers more entertainment and value than MCC. Which is expected given its a bundle of four great games with multiplayer. Its something I believe will remain fairly popular throughout this console generation.

 

Its also been working great for several months now but some still its broken. BF4 was handeld by a major studio by the way. MCC was rushed and handled by small 3rd parties.

BF4 was released on 5 different platforms... 



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Mr Puggsly said:
AlfredoTurkey said:


How many AAA games ARE these days? Huge budgeted games ship unfinished every single time now. It's a problem that no one seems to notice and no one seems to care about.

Games shipping broken and/or not 100% complete and tested is why I get more excited about great indie games now isntead of AAA.

Even lower budget and indie games get patched.

If you dont like broken/buggy games then simply avoid them at launch. Also, you just might prefer. retro inspired indie games.


I do prefer retro inspired indie games. Most indie games ARE inspired by retro games though, right? And I know they get patches, but how many big indie games (Vvvvv, Braid, Meat Boy, Fez, Axiom Verge, Cave Story etc.) do you know that shipped broken and didn't work for extened periods or functioned poorly? I can't remember even one example myself. They just seem more polished. It's probably because most of them are a labor of love as opposed to souless corporate cash grabs.



AlfredoTurkey said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Even lower budget and indie games get patched.

If you dont like broken/buggy games then simply avoid them at launch. Also, you just might prefer. retro inspired indie games.


I do prefer retro inspired indie games. Most indie games ARE inspired by retro games though, right? And I know they get patches, but how many big indie games (Vvvvv, Braid, Meat Boy, Fez, Axiom Verge, Cave Story etc.) do you know that shipped broken and didn't work for extened periods or functioned poorly? I can't remember even one example myself. They just seem more polished. It's probably because most of them are a labor of love as opposed to souless corporate cash grabs.

Use some logic, indie games are generally smaller scale, less complex and should obviously have less bugs. Regardless indie games are often patched to fix bugs.

If you genuinely care about some AAA games you'll play them after major bugs are addressed. But I get the impression you're complaining about games you have no interest in regardless of bugs.

A lot of indie games are souless cash grabs as well. You obviously only pay attention notable indie games.



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Mr Puggsly said:
AlfredoTurkey said:
Mr Puggsly said:

Even lower budget and indie games get patched.

If you dont like broken/buggy games then simply avoid them at launch. Also, you just might prefer. retro inspired indie games.


I do prefer retro inspired indie games. Most indie games ARE inspired by retro games though, right? And I know they get patches, but how many big indie games (Vvvvv, Braid, Meat Boy, Fez, Axiom Verge, Cave Story etc.) do you know that shipped broken and didn't work for extened periods or functioned poorly? I can't remember even one example myself. They just seem more polished. It's probably because most of them are a labor of love as opposed to souless corporate cash grabs.

Use some logic, indie games are generally smaller scale, less complex and should obviously have less bugs. Regardless indie games are often patched to fix bugs.

If you genuinely care about some AAA games you'll play them after major bugs are addressed. But I get the impression you're complaining about games you have no interest in regardless of bugs.

A lot of indie games are souless cash grabs as well. You obviously only pay attention notable indie games.

I only pay attention to good games be it AAA games from 2015 or games from the 70's. I'm 35 and I've been gaming so long that when I started out, NES wasn't even on the market yet. I've seen the industry slowly start morphing into this machine where shipping AAA games both incomplete and broken is the norm. It's bullshit and it shouldn't happen.

I remember hearing a recent interview with former Sega of America genius Tom Kalinske where he was asked what he thinks about today's industry and he said that the thing that surprised him the most was the fact that these publishers were shipping unfinished games and getting away with it. He said that back when he was in charge, no one ever allowed it and it wouldn't have happened on his clock. That's exactly how I feel it should still be. 

And please... don't attempt to push Axiom Verge and games like Uncharted, Halo or COD into the same space. One is geniue, one is not. One is created by gamers (usually less than a few guys), the other is created by suits. Indie games (the good ones) are love letters to the people who buy them... not just paychecks for CEOs.