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Dr.Vita said:
ethomaz said:
Dr.Vita said:
Is PS Vita overtracked on this site?

Last time I checked it was undertracked but it was months ago... maybe adjustments happened.


450k PS Vita sold. 
VGChartz says that it sold 530k by now in 2015. 

Don't understand it...

Is not overtracked.

That is the source that in 2014 Vita was over-shipped by Sony (probabily because the PSV TV coming).

So, yeah, the PSVita numbers for 2014 seem now correct, around 2,500,000 in 2014.

Also, Vita is at +400,000, not 450,000 (because PSP).



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sales2099 said:
DerNebel said:

Dude, seriously? Try harder please, the loss for this fiscal year was known for ages.

Seriously. While you assure me that Sony would post a loss is like expecting the sun to set at night, I actually thought things were turning around (I honestly thought < $500m loss).

I was reading they increased profit projections. Must have been for FY2015. My bad.

What seems to be confusing you, and others, is operating profit vs net profit. Sony has been making operating profits (positive cashflow) for quite a while now. But net profit has remained negative because of accounting write offs, depreciations, etc that are not the standard cash-in / cash out type of thing. You will see that for the financial year 2013 and 2014 the operating income (cash in minus operating expenses) and income before taxes are both positive and fairly healthy. But the net income attributable to shareholders is negative by a substantial amount because there are large non-operating costs that are being accounted for, a lot of which is the restructuring.

Last year was the final year where losses were projected due to all the crap that's been going on since the GFC. So the real test is this year where Sony is projecting substantial net profits, without selling large one off assets like buildings. We will see how that turns out. Their only negative income they are projecting for this year is mobile phones.



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PS3 > Wii lifetime?

Wii > XB360 > PS3 lifetime



kowenicki said:
These financial results (for the quarter) aren't what I expected. Only profit made in music, movies and financial? How did gaming not make a profit? I'm down south on business so I will take a proper look later.


Restructuring charge of some 7 billion Yen. Without it it would've made a small operating profit.

Just goes to show that while Sony has come a long way, they still have a way to go.



Dr.Vita said:
ethomaz said:
Dr.Vita said:
Is PS Vita overtracked on this site?

Last time I checked it was undertracked but it was months ago... maybe adjustments happened.


450k PS Vita sold. 
VGChartz says that it sold 530k by now in 2015. 

Don't understand it...

No it is even undertracked with china release, you have to considere the 1.4 million shipement last quarter, and for 2014 you have to considere the 2Miliion shipement in the quarter of the ps vita slim release which has been sold in 2014

Psp +ps vita 2013 shipement 4.1 m

Psp +ps vita 2013 shipement 3.3 m

vgchartz psvita 2013 3.1 million 

vgchartz psvita 2014 2.4 million 

so a difference of almost 2 million, psp was discountinued in 2014 --> ~1.8Millon psp shiped in 2013, which is extremly wrong ( 4.1 -1.8= 2.3 for the vita) at best 500k



                                               

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nanzano said:
Dr.Vita said:


450k PS Vita sold. 
VGChartz says that it sold 530k by now in 2015. 

Don't understand it...

No it is even undertracked with china release, you have to considere the 1.4 million shipement last quarter, and for 2014 you have to considere the 2Miliion shipement in the quarter of the ps vita slim release which has been sold in 2014

Psp +ps vita 2013 shipement 4.1 m

Psp +ps vita 2013 shipement 3.3 m

vgchartz psvita 2013 3.1 million 

vgchartz psvita 2014 2.4 million 

so a difference of almost 2 million, psp was discountinued in 2014 --> ~1.8Millon psp shiped in 2013, which is extremly wrong ( 4.1 -1.8= 2.3 for the vita) at best 500k


PSP was discontinued in certain markets, not all (USA in January of 2014, Japan was roughly mid year in 2014, and Europe was later of that year. However since they still list Vita+PSP for most of 2014, means they are still shipping them somewhere). Also discontinue of production doesn't mean they don't have the product to sell. It just means it won't be produced for that market anymore. 



 

Soundwave said:
It's over for the Vita. Let that dream die, it's stupid to be losing money on a dead end product like that. They need to basically (and I hate to say it because I own one and don't mind it at all) end Vita production for North America at least. If it was any more done here it'd be a Thanksgiving turkey.


Since WiiU is doing about the same them also kill it? maybe even erase X1 from existance as well? Only 3DS and PS4 available in the market could do wonders.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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DonFerrari said:
Soundwave said:
It's over for the Vita. Let that dream die, it's stupid to be losing money on a dead end product like that. They need to basically (and I hate to say it because I own one and don't mind it at all) end Vita production for North America at least. If it was any more done here it'd be a Thanksgiving turkey.


Since WiiU is doing about the same them also kill it? maybe even erase X1 from existance as well? Only 3DS and PS4 available in the market could do wonders.


The Wii U is atleats selling a lot of software. On the other hand the Ps Vita is neither selling software nor consoles in North America.



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Mr.Playstation said:
DonFerrari said:


Since WiiU is doing about the same them also kill it? maybe even erase X1 from existance as well? Only 3DS and PS4 available in the market could do wonders.


The Wii U is atleats selling a lot of software. On the other hand the Ps Vita is neither selling software nor consoles in North America.


Yes it is.. but if by going by weekly sales is justificative to kill PSVita that basically have 0 investiment from Sony you should kill WiiU that get a lot more money throw at it with the big games (that didn't move the needle)... although I don't think any of them should be cut.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Acevil said:
nanzano said:

No it is even undertracked with china release, you have to considere the 1.4 million shipement last quarter, and for 2014 you have to considere the 2Miliion shipement in the quarter of the ps vita slim release which has been sold in 2014

Psp +ps vita 2013 shipement 4.1 m

Psp +ps vita 2013 shipement 3.3 m

vgchartz psvita 2013 3.1 million 

vgchartz psvita 2014 2.4 million 

so a difference of almost 2 million, psp was discountinued in 2014 --> ~1.8Millon psp shiped in 2013, which is extremly wrong ( 4.1 -1.8= 2.3 for the vita) at best 500k


PSP was discontinued in certain markets, not all (USA in January of 2014, Japan was roughly mid year in 2014, and Europe was later of that year. However since they still list Vita+PSP for most of 2014, means they are still shipping them somewhere). Also discontinue of production doesn't mean they don't have the product to sell. It just means it won't be produced for that market anymore. 

yep I know and it doesn't change what Im arguing, sales from a year include shipment for the previous one etc.. Psp sold ~97k in 2014 in japan (the country having the biggest psp sales, bigger than US or EU) which means it includes a part of 2014 shipement + almost complete 2014 shipment( in October 12 it sold 67 Unit according to M.C) so I come to the conclusion that the psp shipment in 2014 is 100k-200K(max) i.e EU and Japan (discontued during the year) + rest of the world.



                                               

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