I'm pretty sure the dudes sifting through the code to find hints of Roy and Ryu being playable FROM THE NEW UPDATE, I will restate, DATA THAT WASN'T THERE BEFORE THE UPDATE (just to make sure you're still with me) would have found traces of Mewtwo being in the game before he was announced. People are a resourceful bunch.

Lol a lot holes in PC spin. You say you no problem with NINTENDO but you stated it suited you just fine when your kids wanted PS4 instead of a WiiU. Sounds like you didn't want to have to buy it from the start. Then you go on and bash people like me who support their console of choice just because we do not focus on the negative. Little piece of advice nothing is perfect and never will be so why sit there and just be pissed and find the negative in everything. I see it all the time on this site, Twitter, and YouTubers instead supporting the system prefer they just bash fucking Nintendo. Crying out for them to stop making consoles, be with "the times", go third party, on and on and on and the latest the whole voice chat crap now. Crist anything Nintendo does people full on troll mode. So the few like myself who are tired of it just defend Nintendo and now we are the bad guys too.

Well guess what I think gaming is screwed because of these people, we already see happening where kids are playing tablets games rather than consoles. Gaming industry has huge fucking hate problem and it starts with developers acting like little bitches because they do not get their way 100 percent of the time, to the hardcore gamers. Which you brought up caused the deathly slow start for the WiiU. Nintendo tried to appease these dicks with a more mature look and it backfired, not the tablet controller or the power because if you are a hardcore gamer that shouldn't of mattered right? Does tablet fit comfortably and is it not choppy, which it is. Are the games in HD with beautiful graphics yes it is. That is what they bitched about the Wii. 

Nintendo listened did these things with a mix of Nintendo innovation the hardcore gamers still gave it shitty, crappy hate thread without even trying it. So Nintendo said finally did the right thing and said you know what we will go back to what we do best and stick with family fun and now their consoles are selling decent. 

All I'm saying is maybe Nintendo is happy being a family company and is profiting why the help can't that be enough with people like you

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I'm late to the discussion, but just thought I'd chime in to say I agree with this completely. It seems to be a recurring theme I've noticed that Nintendo fans aren't allowed to enjoy DLC without being labelled as hypocrites, even ones that had no part of previous discussions on it last gen (or even liked it...for the ones that owned other platforms).  For those that mocked it without the proper experience and changed their mind...I honestly don't see the issue...I'd like to hope most people are capable of thinking differently when presented with new information. Like you said though, this is something that should really be assessed on a case-by-case basis...rather than just pointing fingers at entire publishers and fanbases. Perhaps that applies to Sakurai as well...but I also think of there's a misquoting going on here, so I'm not going to delve into that.

Regarding Nintendo's own foray into DLC, personally I haven't had an issue with it. Amiibos aren't something I'm interested in, but the rewards unlocked also don't seem like anything I can bring himself to care about missing out on. If we start seeing actually story-content locked behind $10 figurines...then I'll be annoyed. As of right now though? Meh...

??? say what

Somebody needs to hit the books again. 

Also which is ironic enough SSBM fans would have LOVED DLC in that game, it wasnt a thing yet so....?

So many games had X360 exclusive deal for 6 months or 1 year and some when released had additional content and a lot didn't... guess what? They haven't sold that bad. Nintendo fans will find excuses to say why it's other people fault while Nintendo done everything perfectly.

I really could not care less if you don't believe me on the the zombie U story or the fact that I have my name in the credits of Nintendo video games. Unfortunately due to the small team I worked with, and the lack of continuity of team members between projects, I cannot possibly tell you what games I worked on without risking the exposure of my identity and potential doxxing, as I know for a fact that I am the only one in the world that worked one one title with one studio and publisher, and another game with another studio, and another publisher. A comparison of the credit of both games would give you my name and only mine.

But I can tell you this: A fair chunk of the games I worked on were sports related, but almost none of the sports games I worked on were about the same sport. I've worked for development studios owned by publishers, as well as third party studios that do contract work for publishers. I've worked directly with teams at Nintendo and Sony at different points during my career, but never developed along side a team at Microsoft. I nearly got to work on a the game series that inspired me to become a game developer, but we lost the contract to a development studio in a developing country, and the quality of the series has taken a bit of a nose dive since. About a third of the games I worked on never saw the light of day despite the fact that one had gone gold and had thousands of copies pressed. I've been there. I've done that.

You can choose to believe me or not believe me, but those words above are 100% true. All of them. You're just going to have to take my word on it. I know that doesn't count for much, but you know I as well as I do that I cannot possibly tell you more without putting me, my family, or my coworkers at risk.

Perhaps my arguments make zero sense because you seemed to have misunderstood the point I was trying to make even though I stated it clearly. So your counter argument to my statement that Wii U was attempting to attract "more mature" or "more hardcore" gamers is... Rayman Legends. I'm sorry, what makes you think that a gamer that doesn't have enough interest in Mario, Mario Kart, Zelda, Metroid, Star Fox, Punch Out etc to buy a Wii U is going to buy a Wii U to get their hands on Rayman Legends? What makes you think that game would appeal to the Call of Duty/Assasin's Creed/Mass Effect type of crowd? How does this refute my argument in any way?

I know watch dogs was a blunder. That game likely only came out due to contractual obligations between Ubisoft and Nintendo. It was a mess, but it was put on the Wii U because Nintendo was trying to attract the type of people that play games such as Watch Dogs to the Wii U. It was not successful for a variety of reasons, but it does illustrate an obvious attempt by Nintendo of at least partially shedding its "family oriented" image, as does Zombi-U and Bayonetta. Something tells me those games weren't made to be "fun for the whole family" That was the entire point of the three examples I mentioned.As for whether or not Nitendo's attempts at attracting a "more hardcore" audience with the Wii U, the industry analysis I've read indicates that less than 5% of Wii U owners who consider their Wii U their pimary home video game console stated their primary console before the Wii U was a Xbox 360 or Playstation 3. To me, that does not appear to indicate that any attempts by Nintendo to attract a "more hardcore"audience have failed.

Nintenddo isn't there looking for your family or its interest... they are tacking care of their pockets. The way they do that is launching games that you can safely buy without researching, because if it haves cartoon graphics it will be kid friendly. If it doesn't them you have to see classification or review to see if it's appropriated.

I don't doubt you or your claims. I preffer to think anyone is telling the truth unless proven otherwise.

But if you want to "prove" you are a developer you can eiher contat axumblade or Smeags to provide your credentials and them the mod can check you. Or you could talk to one of our inhouse developers that I would say are accepted by the community as legitimate even though we don't know the names... guys like Joe_TheBro, Tachikoma, CGIQuality and Tachikoma husband (I think is tachinoma, just forgot at the moment).

It's kinda odd that you accuse me of being a PC gamer, when I'm absolutely not. My primary computer is a laptop. That should say enough about whether I'm primarily a PC gamer right there. I'm not. My console of choice this generation is the PS4. Last generation I owned a PS3 and a Wii. I personally don't have much interest in buying a Wii U because I feel strongly that I'm getting more or less the same experience on my Wii. I don't see much a reason to get the Wii U, but would have gotten one for the kids and waited on the PS4 if they really wanted one. They didn't so I couldn't be bothered to get one. Based on the sales of the Wii U this shouldn't be too suprising to you. It seems almost no one could be bothered to buy one.

There's a difference between focusing on the negative and flat out ignoring it. There's a difference between critcizing all publishers on all consoles for making a game experience decision, and knocking just Sony and Microsoft while giving Nintendo a free pass.  If you get enraged over Sony or MS or some publisher releasing games on those platforms with Day One DLC or appearing that they may have held back a portion of the game so that it could be released as DLC, then you should be equally enraged when Nintendo does it or allows a publisher to do it on their platform. If you say that DLC is the bane of the industry but praise Nintendo for its DLC, then that's a problem. That is called 'hypocrisy". For what its worth, I did not say that Nintendo should not make any consoles, I didn not say that the games they make shouldn't be made. I have not criticized Nintendo once in this entire thread.

It's nice that you think gaming is screwed when it's still growing. In fact the PS4 and Xbox One combined are selling faster than any two consoles in history. It's hard to say its screwed when its thriving. But you may be right that gaming, as you like it, might be screwed. I'm wondering if you're willing to elaboratr why you think the Wii U got off to the "deathly slow start" as you put it? See personally, I think its for a variety of reasons. First is the name. Many people to this day do not realize the Wii U is not a tablet controller for the Wii, but an entirely different console. That was a huge problem. Secondly, limited appeal. I don't think the tablet controller is a good idea. Many other people agree with that sentiment. I think they would have been better off releasing a new improved version of the Wii Remote (more ergonomic, wireless secondary controllers) the casual crowd that bought the wii in droves loved the controller, and most don't even know the wii remote is compatible with the Wii U. Thirdly. Price. More expensive than the Wii at release. Millions of wiis were sold as impulse buys because of the price along with the novelty of the control in terms of encouraging people to be more active while gaming. The Wii U lost the appeal of what made the Wii successful.

Do you think Nintendo made that choice because they were trying to appeal to the "more hardcore"? Because that's a ridiculous notion. Ninetendo has made a half-hearted effort at best. It's quite obvious the console was made for families and Nintendo die hards. Unfortunately for Nintendo, parents have discovered that kids are just as happy to game on a tablet than a Nintendo consoles, and the tablet has far more utility outside of games. This means the family market is shrinking. All that leaves then, is the hardcore Nintendo fans. Unfortunately for some reason that group appears to be dwindling, and there's simply not enough fo you out there that are willing to buy the Wii U for it to be able to sell at respectable levels. If you think the current levels are "decent" well, I can't help you there - it's being outsold by the Vita.