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Angelus said:
Haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I can gather from all the trailers the Avengers team is basically getting largely swapped at the end of this film right? At least a few of them are getting replaced moving forward.

That just kinda irks me tbh. I mean they had spent all this time, and various single character movies setting up all these characters and finally throwing them together in the Avengers, and now that you did that and people loved it you just say "fuck it, at the end of 2 we'll make a new team with a bunch of people we only just introduced in that movie!" Why? It makes absolutely no sense to me.

Just had to vent about that for a minute.....

Still looking forward to seeing this though. Love love love James Spader, so can't wait to see him as Ultron

if that does happen it's because people in real life get old and it takes a couple years to put together a film so I guess they want to keep swapping out for younger models.  Besides given their contract everyone will be back for Avengers 3 which will probably be the grande finale for a lot of the original characters.  It's gonna be Avengers plus Guardians with their biggest foe yet who at that point will have been teased for 6 years.  After that they could lose some of the magic or not be able to top it but I'm not worried about it till infinity war.



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Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

true but this isn't the first time Tony has screwed up.  I think this perfectly feeds into the Civil War story in that Cap already wasn't crazy about the war profiteering and then Tony goes and tries to create the ultimate weapon again and nearly destroys the world?  That may be the straw that breaks the camel's back so instead of them going from nothing to killing each other Cap now has sufficient reason to want to pummel Tony's face in and a reason for Tony's stance on govt. control to change "if I can't do it right no one can"

I'm confused byt the title of the next cap film myself. Marvel Universe had 40 years fo development, characterisation and new characters created before it got to the point that someone rehashed a story about registration of costumed heroes (I say rehash as mutants have been there done that before, humans have the luxury of hiding, mutants don't).

You can't have a the same kind of feel if there are all of 10 to 15 known costumed vigilantes. I think it's going to be radically different to the comic version. I mean this film was called 'Age of Ultron' but wasn't at all about Wolverine traveling through time to change the past twice so a future where Ultron ruled didn't come to pass.



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The Fury said:
Robert_Downey_Jr. said:

true but this isn't the first time Tony has screwed up.  I think this perfectly feeds into the Civil War story in that Cap already wasn't crazy about the war profiteering and then Tony goes and tries to create the ultimate weapon again and nearly destroys the world?  That may be the straw that breaks the camel's back so instead of them going from nothing to killing each other Cap now has sufficient reason to want to pummel Tony's face in and a reason for Tony's stance on govt. control to change "if I can't do it right no one can"

I'm confused byt the title of the next cap film myself. Marvel Universe had 40 years fo development, characterisation and new characters created before it got to the point that someone rehashed a story about registration of costumed heroes (I say rehash as mutants have been there done that before, humans have the luxury of hiding, mutants don't).

You can't have a the same kind of feel if there are all of 10 to 15 known costumed vigilantes. I think it's going to be radically different to the comic version. I mean this film was called 'Age of Ultron' but wasn't at all about Wolverine traveling through time to change the past twice so a future where Ultron ruled didn't come to pass.

Agreed.  Hell it may be about shutting down superheros altogether.  Maybe Tony would take the govt's side just because he doesn't have powers?   Then again he just witnessed the powered people taking down something he created as a non-powered person so I really have no idea



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Positives:
+ They have mastered the action sequences and the slow motions of them fighting together on the screen look great.
+ Cap's suit is great.

Negatives:
- The story was underwhelming.
- There is no tension during the whole movie, nothing is really at stake. The humour makes it worse.
- Captain America is not the leader and him and Thor barely have anything to do outside of the action sequences.
- Ultron, as expected is a weak villain. Both physically and character-wise. His motivations are very thin and he's just there because the movie needs a villain.
- Pacing was poor with some plodding, unnecessary moments (like Hawkeye's family or the romance plot that came out of nowhere) along with some long-ass action sequences

One thing that I also noticed is that there were a lot of jokes but not a whole lot of laughs in the theatre.



Lawlight said:
Positives:
+ They have mastered the action sequences and the slow motions of them fighting together on the screen look great.
+ Cap's suit is great.

Negatives:
- The story was underwhelming.
- There is no tension during the whole movie, nothing is really at stake. The humour makes it worse.
- Captain America is not the leader and him and Thor barely have anything to do outside of the action sequences.
- Ultron, as expected is a weak villain. Both physically and character-wise. His motivations are very thin and he's just there because the movie needs a villain.
- Pacing was poor with some plodding, unnecessary moments (like Hawkeye's family or the romance plot that came out of nowhere) along with some long-ass action sequences

One thing that I also noticed is that there were a lot of jokes but not a whole lot of laughs in the theatre.

You are right on a few things here, I saw it again yesterday (my first viewing was a free one, I'd already paid for the one yesterday). I got a far better view in the Imax screening and so everything generally looked better. Cap's suit was great, looked far better than the cheesy one in Avengers 1.

It's odd about story though, having watch it a second time I was able to think about certain things in it. Why did Wanda and Pietro go to the church to meet Ultron at first? Where on earth was Hulk for the majority of the fight near the end?

The film felt like they had to have the characters but also that they also thought they needed to have the characters do something. This didn't work because like you say, it meant characters were involved in out of placce story aspects like a romantic plot which didn't make sense. In comics, all team based books are about the team or it's about 1 character in the team book but the others are there, you can deal with their stuff later as it's a serial drama (soap opera). The films don't have that luxury.

I do now think that the Ironman and Ultron thing is okay-ish, but it ruins Hank Pym in whatever guise he appears (I don't know and don't intend to) who's character is defined by Ultron. Ultron was done well though, intelligent and has the basic ambition of 'destroy the humans' like an evil robot might have.

 

The jokes thing is a Whedon thing, his one liner writing style was completely out of place in this film but then he can't do any better as it's all he's got.



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So I saw it last night and I thought it was pretty good. Hawkeye was surprisingly great and everyone else was pretty good.

The Black Widow and Hulk romance was just dumb though: a complete waste of time.



TheGoldenBoy said:
So I saw it last night and I thought it was pretty good. Hawkeye was surprisingly great and everyone else was pretty good.

The Black Widow and Hulk romance was just dumb though: a complete waste of time.

I also thought Hawkeye was good, in the first he was kinda left out being mind controlled a lot but this time he had some good characterisation. The romance thing was dumb, it really did feel like they needed soemthing for them to do so put that in.



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I thought it was good. The story was kind of weak and the bad guy was again kind of under-developed (seems to be a marvel thing), but for popcorn thrills and cheesy one liners it was fun :)



Just found it amazing how Hawkeye's quiver is always full. Guess that's a magic quiver. Also what's he and black widow on the Avengers they are so weak and just stick out in my opinion.



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TheGoldenBoy said:
So I saw it last night and I thought it was pretty good. Hawkeye was surprisingly great and everyone else was pretty good.

The Black Widow and Hulk romance was just dumb though: a complete waste of time.


I've definitely got to agree with you on this: thats the only big issue I had with the movie since it seemed just like a filler for screen time.

But yes I enjoyed the movie too.