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Who Drops Out if Nintendo Makes a Comeback?

Sony 49 6.10%
 
Microsoft 161 20.05%
 
Nobody Drops Out 298 37.11%
 
Nintendo Isn't Making a Comeback 295 36.74%
 
Total:803
naruball on 21 April 2015
bunchanumbers said:
Burek said:

Because if you own a Nintendo console, you only have about 24 games in total to choose from. PS and XBox owners have many many more games to choose from, so the individual games get their sales spread out between hundreds of titles.

If you bothered to check, you would easily have seen that even though Wii sold the most consoles, it is dead last in software sales. 


That was due to rampant piracy that infested the Wii. Its the most modded console in gaming history.

More than ps1 and ps2? Source?



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bunchanumbers on 21 April 2015
naruball said:
bunchanumbers said:
Burek said:

Because if you own a Nintendo console, you only have about 24 games in total to choose from. PS and XBox owners have many many more games to choose from, so the individual games get their sales spread out between hundreds of titles.

If you bothered to check, you would easily have seen that even though Wii sold the most consoles, it is dead last in software sales. 


That was due to rampant piracy that infested the Wii. Its the most modded console in gaming history.

More than ps1 and ps2? Source?


PS1 could be done with hotswapping, but PS2 needed to be modchipped or it needed the network adapter to softmod it. Wii could be done with ordinary stuff and there were tons of sites that even would walk you through soft modding the console.



naruball on 21 April 2015
bunchanumbers said:
naruball said:
bunchanumbers said:


That was due to rampant piracy that infested the Wii. Its the most modded console in gaming history.

More than ps1 and ps2? Source?


PS1 could be done with hotswapping, but PS2 needed to be modchipped or it needed the network adapter to softmod it. Wii could be done with ordinary stuff and there were tons of sites that even would walk you through soft modding the console.

Er... That's not a source. You stated it as a fact which it clearly isn't. I grew up in Greece and I didn't know a single person who didn't have modded ps1/2's. Still I wouldn't call either console the most pirated one simply because I don't have the evidence to support such a statement and it appears than neither do you.

Also, every single person I know who had a wii didn't mod it. The one person who thought about modding it told me that you needed a copy of a certain game (I think a Zelda game) which was very expensive even on ebay. I know this is anecdotal, but my point is that we simply don't know which console was the most pirated one.



zorg1000 on 21 April 2015
Nate4Drake said:
Mnementh said:
Nate4Drake said:
Mnementh said:
 

Which games sell on PS and XBOX?

Halo, COD, Uncharted, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Skyrim, GTA.

Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore.

Some games are more popular than others, agreed. You make from it, that these are the only games offered, but only in the case of Nintendo. In the case of Playstation/XBox you take less popular games as example for diversity. You have to realize that less popular games also exist for Nintendo. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Etrian Odyssey, Bravely Default, Denpa Men ... These all are real games. You only pick games that sell very well and claim no diversity. But you pick a lot less popular games to claim diversity for other platforms. That's unleashed bias.

You forgot Far Cry, and many other great games which do not sell tons of millions, but still are great games, like Dragon Age I, Bloodborne, BatMan, MGS : PP, the New IP for GG, the Witcher3, etc etc etc. If you ask me, is Nintendo which has nothing more to offer other than their usual games recycled over and over again; Nintendo will be in serious trouble if they don't react to all this.

Duh, did you even bother to read what I wrote. I wrote exactly that Burek (and now you) bring smaller games as examples for diversity on platforms other than Nintendo, but fail to do the same for Nintendo. Sure there is FarCry, DragonAge, Bloodborne, Batman and so on, but they fail to enter the Top-Sellers on the platform. Burek only named the Top-Sellers on Nintendo and claimed thats why Nintendo has no diversity. That is hellish biased. Nintendo also have smaller titles, but you both ignore it to make a point that is not rooted in reality.

Look at the TOP 10 of PS3 and PS4, and you could claim the same as for Nintendo, that this nare always the same games:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS4&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Yes, I read your post, but I'm wondering why you said :"Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore."

This is not true. 


He was mimicking Burek, who had just said the exact same thing about Nintendo, so of it going to call out Mnemeth than u should call out Burek as well.



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zippy on 21 April 2015
PxlStorm said:
zippy said:
PxlStorm said:
Nintendo won't make a huge comeback. They'll never have a truly succesful home console again.

I remember quite a few comments like this thrown around when Gamecube was failing..we all know what happened after that.

 

Do you really expect another success like the Wii?



Why not? nobody expected the Wii, This industry can be very unpredictable.

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zorg1000 on 21 April 2015
Burek said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no. Most of these ten-million-sellers came from Wii and DS. And these had big amounts of games. Is it really so hard to admit, that Nintendo does some very popular games? I constantly read from PS- and X-owners, they want Nintendo to go third-party, so they can play their games. Downplaying these numbers is like saying PS4 has no games or Vita is a bad console. That all isn't true.

Wii 10 million sellers: Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sport Resort, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Just Dance 3. I won't even get into DS, as that is not even the topic of this conversation.

Then we go to see what sells on WiiU: New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Kart 8, Nintendo Land, Super Smash Bros, Super mario World U, New Super Luigi U, Wii Party U..... the same damn games over and over and over and over, just a couple of titles repeated non-stop, and aimed at a very specific target audience (pre-teens). And since those pre-teens have grown up, and new pre-teens now have a different interest, Nintendo is left holding the bag of unmarketable and unwanted consoles (as we can see from the sales in their 30 months on the market).

Nintendo has nothing to offer anymore, and they realize that. That's why they decided to continue chasing the pre-teen market into the mobile territory. I really do hope they succeed, so that they can move out of the home console business once and for all. But they have overstayed their welcome a long time ago. To even think that the company that still thinks it is 1989 can be competitive in 2015 or 2019 is unimaginable, not if they just keep pushing out the same game to the same people that have shown that they are getting really tired of a complete lack of vision and ideas. To think that all of a sudden a person will show up that will have the power and guts to push Nintendo out of that deeply entrenched Groundhog Day...

PS1 10 million sellers-Gran Turismo

PS2 10 million sellers-Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas, Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Gran Turismo 3, Grand Theft Auto 3, Gran Turismo 4

PS3 10 million sellers-Grand Theft Auto V, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops, Gran Turismo 5, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Grand Theft Auto IV

Xbox 5 million sellers-Halo, Halo 2

360 10 million sellers-Kinect Adventures, Grand Theft Auto V, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3, Call of Duty: Black Ops 2, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2, Call of Duty: Black Ops, Halo 3, Grand Theft Auto IV

Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, Halo all debuted between 1997 & 2003. Kinect Adventures is the only 10 million selling ip created in the last 12 years.



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Ruler on 21 April 2015
Materia-Blade said:
Ruler said:


Yes the gamecube got almost all segnificant third parties, it was nintendos most exposed console to third parties since the n64, so it should have immideatly dominate according to OP? But it didnt

Ignoring everything that I said? I'll say it one more time: THE GAMECUBE DIDN'T EVEN COME CLOSE TO GETTING ALL/MOST 3RD PARTIY GAMES OF THE GEN.

And that was besides releasing after ps2 had already established itself. Was it clear now?


Your wrong, xbox got 970 games, the gamecube got 670 games. It wasnt really that much more games the first xbox got, so nintendo gamecube got in fact most multiplats. The numbers prove 



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Mnementh on 21 April 2015
Nate4Drake said:

Yes, I read your post, but I'm wondering why you said :"Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore."

This is not true. 




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DonFerrari on 21 April 2015
bunchanumbers said:
DonFerrari said:


So people pirate Wii so much that it have a low attach ratio, but then decide to break record on 10M+ SW sellers???


Yes.  Did you notice how many of those games were games that are not considered by the core gamer? Wii Sports, Wii Fit, NSMB etc. Those games were bought by the family people who wouldn't consider modding a console and game piracy.


So galaxy, MK, SMB are all casual them??? Understood... so it really is true that Nintendo is a casual company for kids and family. Thanks



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

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Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Mnementh on 21 April 2015
Burek said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no you said clearly that Nintendo is doing IPs over and over and over, and I stated the same happens if you look at the top-sellers for other platforms. Also: in what world pre-teens play Wii Sports, Just Dance and Mario Party. Sorry, that's ridiculous, these games are obviously aimed at adults. That's also what surveys have shown. With every wrong claim you weaken your position more and more, you should just stop.

And Nintendo does new IPs, I made a thread about new series in this gen. Get your facts straight.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=197419

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12sat_kids-playing-wii-sports_videogames

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l50wNGmDces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61pLY8WjYqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNoHV2NcVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvhECbhjfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fH0D7R8rvs

and to finish off this list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QBTKFXjFrw

 

I rest my case...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sPZkcXIut2s



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