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Who Drops Out if Nintendo Makes a Comeback?

Sony 49 6.10%
 
Microsoft 161 20.05%
 
Nobody Drops Out 298 37.11%
 
Nintendo Isn't Making a Comeback 295 36.74%
 
Total:803
Burek on 21 April 2015
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no. Most of these ten-million-sellers came from Wii and DS. And these had big amounts of games. Is it really so hard to admit, that Nintendo does some very popular games? I constantly read from PS- and X-owners, they want Nintendo to go third-party, so they can play their games. Downplaying these numbers is like saying PS4 has no games or Vita is a bad console. That all isn't true.

Wii 10 million sellers: Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sport Resort, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Just Dance 3. I won't even get into DS, as that is not even the topic of this conversation.

Then we go to see what sells on WiiU: New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Kart 8, Nintendo Land, Super Smash Bros, Super mario World U, New Super Luigi U, Wii Party U..... the same damn games over and over and over and over, just a couple of titles repeated non-stop, and aimed at a very specific target audience (pre-teens). And since those pre-teens have grown up, and new pre-teens now have a different interest, Nintendo is left holding the bag of unmarketable and unwanted consoles (as we can see from the sales in their 30 months on the market).

Nintendo has nothing to offer anymore, and they realize that. That's why they decided to continue chasing the pre-teen market into the mobile territory. I really do hope they succeed, so that they can move out of the home console business once and for all. But they have overstayed their welcome a long time ago. To even think that the company that still thinks it is 1989 can be competitive in 2015 or 2019 is unimaginable, not if they just keep pushing out the same game to the same people that have shown that they are getting really tired of a complete lack of vision and ideas. To think that all of a sudden a person will show up that will have the power and guts to push Nintendo out of that deeply entrenched Groundhog Day...



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Mnementh on 21 April 2015
Burek said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no. Most of these ten-million-sellers came from Wii and DS. And these had big amounts of games. Is it really so hard to admit, that Nintendo does some very popular games? I constantly read from PS- and X-owners, they want Nintendo to go third-party, so they can play their games. Downplaying these numbers is like saying PS4 has no games or Vita is a bad console. That all isn't true.

Wii 10 million sellers: Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sport Resort, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Just Dance 3. I won't even get into DS, as that is not even the topic of this conversation.

Then we go to see what sells on WiiU: New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Kart 8, Nintendo Land, Super Smash Bros, Super mario World U, New Super Luigi U, Wii Party U..... the same damn games over and over and over and over, just a couple of titles repeated non-stop, and aimed at a very specific target audience (pre-teens). And since those pre-teens have grown up, and new pre-teens now have a different interest, Nintendo is left holding the bag of unmarketable and unwanted consoles (as we can see from the sales in their 30 months on the market).

Nintendo has nothing to offer anymore, and they realize that. That's why they decided to continue chasing the pre-teen market into the mobile territory. I really do hope they succeed, so that they can move out of the home console business once and for all. But they have overstayed their welcome a long time ago. To even think that the company that still thinks it is 1989 can be competitive in 2015 or 2019 is unimaginable, not if they just keep pushing out the same game to the same people that have shown that they are getting really tired of a complete lack of vision and ideas. To think that all of a sudden a person will show up that will have the power and guts to push Nintendo out of that deeply entrenched Groundhog Day...

Which games sell on PS and XBOX?

Halo, COD, Uncharted, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Skyrim, GTA, Gran Tourismo. Watchdogs and Destiny are now adding to the list.

Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore.

Some games are more popular than others, agreed. You make from it, that these are the only games offered, but only in the case of Nintendo. In the case of Playstation/XBox you take less popular games as example for diversity. You have to realize that less popular games also exist for Nintendo. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Etrian Odyssey, Bravely Default, Denpa Men ... These all are real games. You only pick games that sell very well and claim no diversity. But you pick a lot less popular games to claim diversity for other platforms. That's unleashed bias.

Im willing to bet, that among the 20 titles that make up the Top 10 of X1 and PS4 are less than five that are not from my list above. For reference: For X360/PS3 it is exactly one title not on the list: Kinect Adventures. Or make an even better bet: I bet that among the Top 10 titles for WiiU and 3DS are more different series than among the Top 10 of PS4 or X1 if the gen is over.



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Nate4Drake on 21 April 2015

Nintendo is the only Home console right now which is in serious trouble; and releasing a new Home console will never affect Sony or MS. I just hope Nintendo will survive, and release next time a better console to be more competitive. By the time a new Nintendo Home console will be released, PS4 and X1 will be extremely cheap and will have tons of games, which will also look impressive, being at their respective 4th/5th generation.



”Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”

Harriet Tubman.

Nate4Drake on 21 April 2015
Mnementh said:
Burek said:
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no. Most of these ten-million-sellers came from Wii and DS. And these had big amounts of games. Is it really so hard to admit, that Nintendo does some very popular games? I constantly read from PS- and X-owners, they want Nintendo to go third-party, so they can play their games. Downplaying these numbers is like saying PS4 has no games or Vita is a bad console. That all isn't true.

Wii 10 million sellers: Wii Sports, Mario Kart Wii, Wii Sport Resort, Wii Play, New Super Mario Bros. Wii, Wii Fit, Wii Fit Plus, Super Smash Brothers Brawl, Super Mario Galaxy, Just Dance 3. I won't even get into DS, as that is not even the topic of this conversation.

Then we go to see what sells on WiiU: New Super Mario Bros. U, Mario Kart 8, Nintendo Land, Super Smash Bros, Super mario World U, New Super Luigi U, Wii Party U..... the same damn games over and over and over and over, just a couple of titles repeated non-stop, and aimed at a very specific target audience (pre-teens). And since those pre-teens have grown up, and new pre-teens now have a different interest, Nintendo is left holding the bag of unmarketable and unwanted consoles (as we can see from the sales in their 30 months on the market).

Nintendo has nothing to offer anymore, and they realize that. That's why they decided to continue chasing the pre-teen market into the mobile territory. I really do hope they succeed, so that they can move out of the home console business once and for all. But they have overstayed their welcome a long time ago. To even think that the company that still thinks it is 1989 can be competitive in 2015 or 2019 is unimaginable, not if they just keep pushing out the same game to the same people that have shown that they are getting really tired of a complete lack of vision and ideas. To think that all of a sudden a person will show up that will have the power and guts to push Nintendo out of that deeply entrenched Groundhog Day...

Which games sell on PS and XBOX?

Halo, COD, Uncharted, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Skyrim, GTA.

Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore.

Some games are more popular than others, agreed. You make from it, that these are the only games offered, but only in the case of Nintendo. In the case of Playstation/XBox you take less popular games as example for diversity. You have to realize that less popular games also exist for Nintendo. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Etrian Odyssey, Bravely Default, Denpa Men ... These all are real games. You only pick games that sell very well and claim no diversity. But you pick a lot less popular games to claim diversity for other platforms. That's unleashed bias.

You forgot Far Cry, and many other great games which do not sell tons of millions, but still are great games, like Dragon Age I, Bloodborne, BatMan, MGS : PP, the New IP for GG, the Witcher3, etc etc etc. If you ask me, is Nintendo which has nothing more to offer other than their usual games recycled over and over again; Nintendo will be in serious trouble if they don't react to all this.



”Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”

Harriet Tubman.

wyluzuj on 21 April 2015

Playstation - yes

Xbox - mmhh, ... we will see



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Burek on 21 April 2015
Mnementh said:

Which games sell on PS and XBOX?

Halo, COD, Uncharted, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Skyrim, GTA, Gran Tourismo. Watchdogs and Destiny are now adding to the list.

Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore.

Some games are more popular than others, agreed. You make from it, that these are the only games offered, but only in the case of Nintendo. In the case of Playstation/XBox you take less popular games as example for diversity. You have to realize that less popular games also exist for Nintendo. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Etrian Odyssey, Bravely Default, Denpa Men ... These all are real games. You only pick games that sell very well and claim no diversity. But you pick a lot less popular games to claim diversity for other platforms. That's unleashed bias.

Im willing to bet, that among the 20 titles that make up the Top 10 of X1 and PS4 are less than five that are not from my list above. For reference: For X360/PS3 it is exactly one title not on the list: Kinect Adventures. Or make an even better bet: I bet that among the Top 10 titles for WiiU and 3DS are more different series than among the Top 10 of PS4 or X1 if the gen is over.

You just actually disproved your point with this list of games, because, as I have stated, all Nintendo games are aimed exclusively to pre-teen, Disney Channel market of party games and benign cartoons, while even that list of PS/XB sellers has games for a wide variety of tastes (shooters, adventures, simulations, sports, role-playing, story-driven experiences). And not to forget that both MS and Sony constantly introduce new titles, new IPs, new experiences, while the only thing new Nintendo has to offer is the letter U attached to the title of their 25-yo franchise.

And I have no doubt that once Nintendo releases a new home console, we shall see the exact same titles, only with a suffix NX or whatever they decide to call it.



Mnementh on 21 April 2015
Nate4Drake said:
Mnementh said:

Which games sell on PS and XBOX?

Halo, COD, Uncharted, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Skyrim, GTA.

Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore.

Some games are more popular than others, agreed. You make from it, that these are the only games offered, but only in the case of Nintendo. In the case of Playstation/XBox you take less popular games as example for diversity. You have to realize that less popular games also exist for Nintendo. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Etrian Odyssey, Bravely Default, Denpa Men ... These all are real games. You only pick games that sell very well and claim no diversity. But you pick a lot less popular games to claim diversity for other platforms. That's unleashed bias.

You forgot Far Cry, and many other great games which do not sell tons of millions, but still are great games, like Dragon Age I, Bloodborne, BatMan, MGS : PP, the New IP for GG, the Witcher3, etc etc etc. If you ask me, is Nintendo which has nothing more to offer other than their usual games recycled over and over again; Nintendo will be in serious trouble if they don't react to all this.

Duh, did you even bother to read what I wrote. I wrote exactly that Burek (and now you) bring smaller games as examples for diversity on platforms other than Nintendo, but fail to do the same for Nintendo. Sure there is FarCry, DragonAge, Bloodborne, Batman and so on, but they fail to enter the Top-Sellers on the platform. Burek only named the Top-Sellers on Nintendo and claimed thats why Nintendo has no diversity. That is hellish biased. Nintendo also have smaller titles, but you both ignore it to make a point that is not rooted in reality.

Look at the TOP 10 of PS3 and PS4, and you could claim the same as for Nintendo, that this nare always the same games:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS4&genre=&minSales=0&results=200



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10 years greatest game event!

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Mnementh on 21 April 2015
Burek said:

You just actually disproved your point with this list of games, because, as I have stated, all Nintendo games are aimed exclusively to pre-teen, Disney Channel market of party games and benign cartoons, while even that list of PS/XB sellers has games for a wide variety of tastes (shooters, adventures, simulations, sports, role-playing, story-driven experiences). And not to forget that both MS and Sony constantly introduce new titles, new IPs, new experiences, while the only thing new Nintendo has to offer is the letter U attached to the title of their 25-yo franchise.

And I have no doubt that once Nintendo releases a new home console, we shall see the exact same titles, only with a suffix NX or whatever they decide to call it.

Sorry, no you said clearly that Nintendo is doing IPs over and over and over, and I stated the same happens if you look at the top-sellers for other platforms. Also: in what world pre-teens play Wii Sports, Just Dance and Mario Party. Sorry, that's ridiculous, these games are obviously aimed at adults. That's also what surveys have shown. With every wrong claim you weaken your position more and more, you should just stop.

And Nintendo does new IPs, I made a thread about new series in this gen. Get your facts straight.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=197419



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10 years greatest game event!

bets: [peak year] [+], [1], [2], [3], [4]

Nate4Drake on 21 April 2015
Mnementh said:
Nate4Drake said:
Mnementh said:
 

Which games sell on PS and XBOX?

Halo, COD, Uncharted, FIFA, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Skyrim, GTA.

Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore.

Some games are more popular than others, agreed. You make from it, that these are the only games offered, but only in the case of Nintendo. In the case of Playstation/XBox you take less popular games as example for diversity. You have to realize that less popular games also exist for Nintendo. Fire Emblem, Zelda, Bayonetta, Xenoblade, Etrian Odyssey, Bravely Default, Denpa Men ... These all are real games. You only pick games that sell very well and claim no diversity. But you pick a lot less popular games to claim diversity for other platforms. That's unleashed bias.

You forgot Far Cry, and many other great games which do not sell tons of millions, but still are great games, like Dragon Age I, Bloodborne, BatMan, MGS : PP, the New IP for GG, the Witcher3, etc etc etc. If you ask me, is Nintendo which has nothing more to offer other than their usual games recycled over and over again; Nintendo will be in serious trouble if they don't react to all this.

Duh, did you even bother to read what I wrote. I wrote exactly that Burek (and now you) bring smaller games as examples for diversity on platforms other than Nintendo, but fail to do the same for Nintendo. Sure there is FarCry, DragonAge, Bloodborne, Batman and so on, but they fail to enter the Top-Sellers on the platform. Burek only named the Top-Sellers on Nintendo and claimed thats why Nintendo has no diversity. That is hellish biased. Nintendo also have smaller titles, but you both ignore it to make a point that is not rooted in reality.

Look at the TOP 10 of PS3 and PS4, and you could claim the same as for Nintendo, that this nare always the same games:

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS3&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

http://www.vgchartz.com/gamedb/?name=&publisher=&platform=PS4&genre=&minSales=0&results=200

Yes, I read your post, but I'm wondering why you said :"Always the same games over and over. Sony and MS has nothing to offer anymore."

This is not true. 



”Every great dream begins with a dreamer. Always remember, you have within you the strength, the patience, and the passion to reach for the stars to change the world.”

Harriet Tubman.

Burek on 21 April 2015
Mnementh said:

Sorry, no you said clearly that Nintendo is doing IPs over and over and over, and I stated the same happens if you look at the top-sellers for other platforms. Also: in what world pre-teens play Wii Sports, Just Dance and Mario Party. Sorry, that's ridiculous, these games are obviously aimed at adults. That's also what surveys have shown. With every wrong claim you weaken your position more and more, you should just stop.

And Nintendo does new IPs, I made a thread about new series in this gen. Get your facts straight.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=197419

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x12sat_kids-playing-wii-sports_videogames

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l50wNGmDces

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=61pLY8WjYqI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjNoHV2NcVQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxvhECbhjfU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fH0D7R8rvs

and to finish off this list:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QBTKFXjFrw

 

I rest my case...