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o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:


The first two items are the answer for the question...

There are infinite things that aren't a perfect straight line, so you can't say not straight (or bent) is the opposite of straight (they are opposite just in gramatic but not in mathematic).

Again what I'm saying is that in logic you can 't have one thing opposite to all else that isn't it... opposition is binary. Like the method to prove something is right is like proving that all else is wrong (won't enter the details, but it basically is proving by negative).

 

Sine wave is the way human can use to explain (or model) the things in nature. It doesn't necessarily mimic the phenomenom.

if you put phase 180 degrees for sine you still get sine. cosine is the 90 degree phase of sine. So they aren't exactly opposites, you could use them as they are binary in opposition. Now you see the difference?

The cold/hot opposition per example... it really is amount of heat and how you perceive... so 0k or absolute zero (would be your coolest point) is the "total absence of heat" while we still don't know what is the maximum existing heat as far as I'm aware to have the 2 opposites, altough they wouldn't be opposite, just the 2 extremes of a scale.


"There are infinite things that aren't a perfect straight line"

you mean like exponential increase?

 

"if you put phase 180 degrees for sine you still get sine"

yes its still a sine wave but due to displacement its the opposite of the original which is why why have technology like noise cancellation 

waves that are exactly out of phase are used to cancel the sound waves that are unwanted when someone is listening to music

sure the two sets of waves have the same shape ( like with the sine example ) but they are different/opposite in the sense that they are out of phase which is why they cancel

 

" while we still don't know what is the maximum existing heat as far as I'm aware to have the 2 opposites, altough they wouldn't be opposite, just the 2 extremes of a scale."

 

that is a good point its true that increasing heat and increasing lack of heat don't proportionally rise to two exact opposites because i think at some point as you said a point is reached where 0k is reached so molecules stop moving while we don't know as of yet what the hottest temperature possible is

but wait hold on i'm sure that i've heard of a substance going down past zero kelvin before

oh yeah here

http://www.livescience.com/25959-atoms-colder-than-absolute-zero.html

but still you have a point there its just that this is something that i'm honestly seeing everywhere 

even politics with the left and right, on the left people that want more and more control being imposed while the right wants the opposite less control more freedom


Exponential curve is something that isn't a straigth line (but there are also another infinite forms that aren't a straight line) so you can't say exponential or any other curve is the opposite of straight just because they aren't straight.

Just because two waves can cancel each other that doesn't mean they are opposite, cosine isn't the opposite of sine altough you could say they are if they are in the same phase...but as you know no one would say cosine wave, it's always sine wave plus phase. So it would be silly to say the opposite of sine wave is a 90 degree phase sine wave don't you think? But they would still cancell each other (they have opposite signal in their magnitude, but they aren't opposite things).

You can't increase lack of heat, as there isn't "COLD" in physics, there is just more or less heat.

And on the link you said I'll read it... but it could only mean that 273,15C was the wrong absolute zero. Like time, temperature have no sense being put in a negative scale when you have an absolute zero as minimum point... but sure we could create the VGC temp scale that would have it's zero at the middle point of absolute zero and absolute maximum (whatever it may end up being, maybe 1Million K) and then we would be close to -499.750 degrees VGC at the moment. But having the 0 on the middle wouldn't make the extremes of the scale opposites...

Things in nature aren't necessarily opposites, it's just that for human brains the concept of opposite is easier to understand.



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Owww and by the way the opposite of matter is antimatter not void... so what is the opposite of void? both?



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Dgc1808 said:
o_O.Q said:
Dgc1808 said:

o_O.Q said:

 "None of them point to a god"

they point to intelligence... observing the world as a human its quite clear that regardless of the diversity in nature laws that exhibit a great complexity are generally created by us

therefore complex laws from our experience are directly associated with intelligence do you disagree with that ascertion?

"You simply state that you don't understand how they can be how they are without god"

i clarified this above according to our experience of the world complex laws appear to only be formed by entities that exhibit intelligence

" The problem is your knowledge and nothing else."

well there is no information that contradicts my assertion or in other words no one can definitively prove that the universe was not created so...

1) They do not point to an intelligence. These "laws" (I'm not even sure I'd call them laws) you're referring to are just descriptions. Nothing points to them being proscribed by anything other than us as a way to desribe our world. The examples you gave demonstrate you're just making whimsical ascertions.  Hot and cold are opposites? What does that mean? There's just more heat or less heat. If one room is 10 kelvin and another is 150 kelvin which one is the hot based on your experience? What is the opposite of 2 degrees Kelvin based on your human experience? 

2) "there is no information that contradicts my assertion or in other words no one can definitively prove that the universe was not created so"

There's your problem again. "My creator fits here and you can't prove to me that my creator doesn't exist". Nothing contradicts Last Thursday-ism or Solipsism either. I guess those are both right.

"These "laws" (I'm not even sure I'd call them laws) you're referring to are just descriptions. "

yes laws, rules etc are generally descriptive since they describe conditions that processes function by that should be obvious

" Hot and cold are opposites? What does that mean? "

"There's just more heat or less heat."

lol it means just what i posted the opposite of something is the lack or reversal of it or in other words when there's less of something 

when there's less light you move closer to darkness

when there's less happiness you go closer to sadness

when there's less good there's more bad 

when there's less freedom you go closer to slavery etc etc etc

"If one room is 10 kelvin and another is 150 kelvin which one is the hot based on your experience? What is the opposite of 2 degrees Kelvin based on your human experience? "

this is why i said that there is a spectrum between two opposing forces or in other words there's a scale between the two

"There's your problem again. "My creator fits here and you can't prove to me that my creator doesn't exist""

i backed what i said up by stating that complex laws are generally creations coming from intelligence if you disagree with that that's cool

"when there's less happiness you go closer to sadness" - No. A Non-happy person isn't necessarily a sad one.

"when there's less good there's more bad " - No. Because of obious. 

I can  on with that but my point originally was that this "law is opposites" wasn't clearly explained/defined or just flawed. A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy. This point is irrelevent now because what I want to talk about this: 

"yes laws, rules etc are generally descriptive since they describe conditions that processes function by that should be obvious" and "complex laws are generally creations coming from intelligence"

Are these "laws" just the result of an intelligence attempting to describe observations, or are they caused by an intelligence? If you're post was making no attempt to ascert causation (which is what I assumed you were trying to do), then your title makes no sense. You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do, not just how some intelligence describes or interprets them. At the moment, it just seems like you're pointing things out and saying an intelligence did it with no explanation as to how we would know this. 


"A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy."

 

well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two

the line there in the middle means neutral or equilibrium

 

". You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do"

 

well my conclusion is based on the fact that we as humans pride ourselves on being above animals because of our capacity to use our intelligence to come up with constructs

 

as i said earlier we wouldn't expect to find any significant answers to anything by talking to animals or rocks or putting our head to the ground and hoping the earth whispers back or whatever because we unlike the animals and inanimate objects around us have intelligence 

 

therefore we expect that mathematical constructs for example are exclusive to entities that exhibit intelligence otherwise you'd have me believe that rocks have more intellectual capacity than humans as they have been able to do what we will never be able to acheive with regards to creating the universe

 

afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans



DonFerrari said:
o_O.Q said:


"There are infinite things that aren't a perfect straight line"

you mean like exponential increase?

 

"if you put phase 180 degrees for sine you still get sine"

yes its still a sine wave but due to displacement its the opposite of the original which is why why have technology like noise cancellation 

waves that are exactly out of phase are used to cancel the sound waves that are unwanted when someone is listening to music

sure the two sets of waves have the same shape ( like with the sine example ) but they are different/opposite in the sense that they are out of phase which is why they cancel

 

" while we still don't know what is the maximum existing heat as far as I'm aware to have the 2 opposites, altough they wouldn't be opposite, just the 2 extremes of a scale."

 

that is a good point its true that increasing heat and increasing lack of heat don't proportionally rise to two exact opposites because i think at some point as you said a point is reached where 0k is reached so molecules stop moving while we don't know as of yet what the hottest temperature possible is

but wait hold on i'm sure that i've heard of a substance going down past zero kelvin before

oh yeah here

http://www.livescience.com/25959-atoms-colder-than-absolute-zero.html

but still you have a point there its just that this is something that i'm honestly seeing everywhere 

even politics with the left and right, on the left people that want more and more control being imposed while the right wants the opposite less control more freedom


Exponential curve is something that isn't a straigth line (but there are also another infinite forms that aren't a straight line) so you can't say exponential or any other curve is the opposite of straight just because they aren't straight.

Just because two waves can cancel each other that doesn't mean they are opposite, cosine isn't the opposite of sine altough you could say they are if they are in the same phase...but as you know no one would say cosine wave, it's always sine wave plus phase. So it would be silly to say the opposite of sine wave is a 90 degree phase sine wave don't you think? But they would still cancell each other (they have opposite signal in their magnitude, but they aren't opposite things).

You can't increase lack of heat, as there isn't "COLD" in physics, there is just more or less heat.

And on the link you said I'll read it... but it could only mean that 273,15C was the wrong absolute zero. Like time, temperature have no sense being put in a negative scale when you have an absolute zero as minimum point... but sure we could create the VGC temp scale that would have it's zero at the middle point of absolute zero and absolute maximum (whatever it may end up being, maybe 1Million K) and then we would be close to -499.750 degrees VGC at the moment. But having the 0 on the middle wouldn't make the extremes of the scale opposites...

Things in nature aren't necessarily opposites, it's just that for human brains the concept of opposite is easier to understand.


"so you can't say exponential or any other curve is the opposite of straight just because they aren't straight."

 

i didn't i was asking you to give me an example but anyway i would think the opposite of any line infinite or not would be its inverse

 

"Just because two waves can cancel each other that doesn't mean they are opposite"

 

well actually it does 

 

"cosine isn't the opposite of sine"

 

i didn't say it was i said that to cancel a sine wave you use a wave with the same magnitude and frequency but 180 degress out of phase or in other words you use the inverse of that sine wave or its opposite

 

"So it would be silly to say the opposite of sine wave is a 90 degree phase sine wave don't you think? "

 

well i didn't you brought up cosine waves not me 

to clarify no cosine waves cannot cancel their sine waves however the inverse of sine waves cancel sine waves

 

"Things in nature aren't necessarily opposites, it's just that for human brains the concept of opposite is easier to understand."


well yeah i can't disagree that we have to use concepts to interpret reality with and those concepts have to be discarded or changed wiith time as we gain more understanding



DonFerrari said:
Owww and by the way the opposite of matter is antimatter not void... so what is the opposite of void? both?


oh that's a good point very good point i hadn't thought of that

that might be an exception to this whole thing afterall

 

here a way i think i could interpret this  with regards to the idea i have been proposing

 

so here's a basic equation let 1 denote matter, -1 antimatter and 0 void

 

so we have this 1 - 1 = 0

 

matter is cancelled by anitmatter leaving nothing or equilibrium

 

       

 

 positive amplitude = matter

the negative amplitude = antimatter

equilibrium between the two as void

 

so yes it could still apply to what i have been proposing but i was of course wrong to say that void is the opposite of matter and i apologise for that



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o_O.Q said:
Dgc1808 said:

"when there's less happiness you go closer to sadness" - No. A Non-happy person isn't necessarily a sad one.

"when there's less good there's more bad " - No. Because of obious. 

I can  on with that but my point originally was that this "law is opposites" wasn't clearly explained/defined or just flawed. A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy. This point is irrelevent now because what I want to talk about this: 

"yes laws, rules etc are generally descriptive since they describe conditions that processes function by that should be obvious" and "complex laws are generally creations coming from intelligence"

Are these "laws" just the result of an intelligence attempting to describe observations, or are they caused by an intelligence? If you're post was making no attempt to ascert causation (which is what I assumed you were trying to do), then your title makes no sense. You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do, not just how some intelligence describes or interprets them. At the moment, it just seems like you're pointing things out and saying an intelligence did it with no explanation as to how we would know this. 

"A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy."

well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two

the line there in the middle means neutral or equilibrium

". You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do"

well my conclusion is based on the fact that we as humans pride ourselves on being above animals because of our capacity to use our intelligence to come up with constructs

as i said earlier we wouldn't expect to find any significant answers to anything by talking to animals or rocks or putting our head to the ground and hoping the earth whispers back or whatever because we unlike the animals and inanimate objects around us have intelligence 

therefore we expect that mathematical constructs for example are exclusive to entities that exhibit intelligence otherwise you'd have me believe that rocks have more intellectual capacity than humans as they have been able to do what we will never be able to acheive with regards to creating the universe

afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans

"well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two"

This doesn't work with the temperature example (and a lot of other things) because there's no discernible max or true neutral (0 on any temperature scale is completely arbitrary). Bring in the topic of mixed emotions which would suggest that  sorrow is not absense joy and the whole ascertions falls apart.

"afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans"

A creator exists or the universe created itself, is basically what you're saying here? I have a hard time believing you haven't heard the flaws of this argument before. I'm kinda thinking there's some ill-intent behind this thread. I'm done here. 



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o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:


Exponential curve is something that isn't a straigth line (but there are also another infinite forms that aren't a straight line) so you can't say exponential or any other curve is the opposite of straight just because they aren't straight.

Just because two waves can cancel each other that doesn't mean they are opposite, cosine isn't the opposite of sine altough you could say they are if they are in the same phase...but as you know no one would say cosine wave, it's always sine wave plus phase. So it would be silly to say the opposite of sine wave is a 90 degree phase sine wave don't you think? But they would still cancell each other (they have opposite signal in their magnitude, but they aren't opposite things).

You can't increase lack of heat, as there isn't "COLD" in physics, there is just more or less heat.

And on the link you said I'll read it... but it could only mean that 273,15C was the wrong absolute zero. Like time, temperature have no sense being put in a negative scale when you have an absolute zero as minimum point... but sure we could create the VGC temp scale that would have it's zero at the middle point of absolute zero and absolute maximum (whatever it may end up being, maybe 1Million K) and then we would be close to -499.750 degrees VGC at the moment. But having the 0 on the middle wouldn't make the extremes of the scale opposites...

Things in nature aren't necessarily opposites, it's just that for human brains the concept of opposite is easier to understand.

 


"so you can't say exponential or any other curve is the opposite of straight just because they aren't straight."

 

i didn't i was asking you to give me an example but anyway i would think the opposite of any line infinite or not would be its inverse

 

"Just because two waves can cancel each other that doesn't mean they are opposite"

 

well actually it does 

 

"cosine isn't the opposite of sine"

 

i didn't say it was i said that to cancel a sine wave you use a wave with the same magnitude and frequency but 180 degress out of phase or in other words you use the inverse of that sine wave or its opposite

 

"So it would be silly to say the opposite of sine wave is a 90 degree phase sine wave don't you think? "

 

well i didn't you brought up cosine waves not me 

to clarify no cosine waves cannot cancel their sine waves however the inverse of sine waves cancel sine waves

 

"Things in nature aren't necessarily opposites, it's just that for human brains the concept of opposite is easier to understand."


well yeah i can't disagree that we have to use concepts to interpret reality with and those concepts have to be discarded or changed wiith time as we gain more understanding


Well that is why the guy said your whole premise comes from your lack of knowledge...

Opposition is between 2 things not between one thing and the infinite things that aren't it.

A sine wave with the same period and amplitude with 180 degrees of phase is the same wave, the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period, amplitude and phase is exactaly equal the sine wave with 90 degrees phase... but even so they aren't opposite...

A harmonic is exemplified by a sine and cosine wave put together, and even so they aren't zero sum. And what would be an opposite of harmonic??? All that isn't harmonic (again infinite).

 

Nothing you brought is really explaining or proving the existence or non-existence of the creator... they just shows that within our limited knowledge and math it makes sense and logic. That shows that we have some inteligence not that there was an inteligent creator. You are assuming the same that theists assume, if we are inteligent them there must be something more inteligent than us that created us.

Also we during the centuries learned a lot from observing the rocks and animals... we still observe and ask questions to the rocks in the space, and they answer, the problem is that we take a lot of time to understand the answer. And most animals have a lot of inteligence and are capable of things you aren't... their inteligence fits their need.



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DonFerrari said:
o_O.Q said:

 


"so you can't say exponential or any other curve is the opposite of straight just because they aren't straight."

 

i didn't i was asking you to give me an example but anyway i would think the opposite of any line infinite or not would be its inverse

 

"Just because two waves can cancel each other that doesn't mean they are opposite"

 

well actually it does 

 

"cosine isn't the opposite of sine"

 

i didn't say it was i said that to cancel a sine wave you use a wave with the same magnitude and frequency but 180 degress out of phase or in other words you use the inverse of that sine wave or its opposite

 

"So it would be silly to say the opposite of sine wave is a 90 degree phase sine wave don't you think? "

 

well i didn't you brought up cosine waves not me 

to clarify no cosine waves cannot cancel their sine waves however the inverse of sine waves cancel sine waves

 

"Things in nature aren't necessarily opposites, it's just that for human brains the concept of opposite is easier to understand."


well yeah i can't disagree that we have to use concepts to interpret reality with and those concepts have to be discarded or changed wiith time as we gain more understanding


Well that is why the guy said your whole premise comes from your lack of knowledge...

Opposition is between 2 things not between one thing and the infinite things that aren't it.

A sine wave with the same period and amplitude with 180 degrees of phase is the same wave, the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period, amplitude and phase is exactaly equal the sine wave with 90 degrees phase... but even so they aren't opposite...

A harmonic is exemplified by a sine and cosine wave put together, and even so they aren't zero sum. And what would be an opposite of harmonic??? All that isn't harmonic (again infinite).

 

Nothing you brought is really explaining or proving the existence or non-existence of the creator... they just shows that within our limited knowledge and math it makes sense and logic. That shows that we have some inteligence not that there was an inteligent creator. You are assuming the same that theists assume, if we are inteligent them there must be something more inteligent than us that created us.

Also we during the centuries learned a lot from observing the rocks and animals... we still observe and ask questions to the rocks in the space, and they answer, the problem is that we take a lot of time to understand the answer. And most animals have a lot of inteligence and are capable of things you aren't... their inteligence fits their need.


you know its pretty rich that you could post this 

"Well that is why the guy said your whole premise comes from your lack of knowledge..."

then post this

"A sine wave with the same period and amplitude with 180 degrees of phase is the same wave, the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period, amplitude and phase is exactaly equal the sine wave with 90 degrees phase... but even so they aren't opposite..."

 

for the last time you are wrong the reason why the waves cancel is because a 180 degree wave out of phase with the orignal is its inverse or opposite

as i said an example of this principle in action is noise cnacellation if you do not understand the principle go and research it before you reply to me

 

" the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period"

 

i'm going to repeat one last time that is incorrect the inverse of a wave is itself with a 180 degree phase difference

 

"You are assuming the same that theists assume, if we are inteligent them there must be something more inteligent than us that created us."

 

well its a fairly obvious correlation if we deem the discovering of maths by humans to be due to their intelligence then by extension some greater intelligence must have had a hand in createing maths to begin with

how you came to the conclusion that a cosine is the inverse of a sine is beyond me but i'm telling you for the last time you are wrong

 

"Also we during the centuries learned a lot from observing the rocks and animals"

 

true but we consider ourselves to be above them because of our intelligence we would never expect them to come up with complex mathematical constructs... we expect that to come from other entities with intelligence



Dgc1808 said:
o_O.Q said:

"A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy."

well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two

the line there in the middle means neutral or equilibrium

". You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do"

well my conclusion is based on the fact that we as humans pride ourselves on being above animals because of our capacity to use our intelligence to come up with constructs

as i said earlier we wouldn't expect to find any significant answers to anything by talking to animals or rocks or putting our head to the ground and hoping the earth whispers back or whatever because we unlike the animals and inanimate objects around us have intelligence 

therefore we expect that mathematical constructs for example are exclusive to entities that exhibit intelligence otherwise you'd have me believe that rocks have more intellectual capacity than humans as they have been able to do what we will never be able to acheive with regards to creating the universe

afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans

"well they are neutral balanced on the equilibrium point between the two"

This doesn't work with the temperature example (and a lot of other things) because there's no discernible max or true neutral (0 on any temperature scale is completely arbitrary). Bring in the topic of mixed emotions which would suggest that  sorrow is not absense joy and the whole ascertions falls apart.

"afterall if there is no intelligence above us then it would have be the matter of the universe itself that caused it to form as it did meaning that rocks are smarter than humans"

A creator exists or the universe created itself, is basically what you're saying here? I have a hard time believing you haven't heard the flaws of this argument before. I'm kinda thinking there's some ill-intent behind this thread. I'm done here. 


" because there's no discernible max or true neutral (0 on any temperature scale is completely arbitrary)."

actually that's a very good point i hadn't thought of that one but i don't get how it invalidates my argument because ultimately to access our environment we still use those arbitrary conditions regardless

we don't say that our baseline for temperature is arbitrary and therefore we can't take weather forecasts seriously for example

ultimaltely to access these things we have to choose a baseline that is how science works

 

"Bring in the topic of mixed emotions "

do you have a link for that? the idea i've had about mixed emotions is that people experience stimuli that affect them both positively and negatively and by individually accessing both aspects they feel both feelings but not simultaneously

here you seem to be saying that people do in fact experience both simultaneously

i can only speak for myself but i know that i;ve never felt both simultaneously sure when events happen that had both positive and negative aspects occur i reflect on them

but how it works is that when i think of the positive i feel joy and when i think of the negative i feel sad within a short period but separately even though its the same event

 

"A creator exists or the universe created itself, is basically what you're saying here?"

yes

 

"I have a hard time believing you haven't heard the flaws of this argument before."

i have not



o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:


Well that is why the guy said your whole premise comes from your lack of knowledge...

Opposition is between 2 things not between one thing and the infinite things that aren't it.

A sine wave with the same period and amplitude with 180 degrees of phase is the same wave, the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period, amplitude and phase is exactaly equal the sine wave with 90 degrees phase... but even so they aren't opposite...

A harmonic is exemplified by a sine and cosine wave put together, and even so they aren't zero sum. And what would be an opposite of harmonic??? All that isn't harmonic (again infinite).

 

Nothing you brought is really explaining or proving the existence or non-existence of the creator... they just shows that within our limited knowledge and math it makes sense and logic. That shows that we have some inteligence not that there was an inteligent creator. You are assuming the same that theists assume, if we are inteligent them there must be something more inteligent than us that created us.

Also we during the centuries learned a lot from observing the rocks and animals... we still observe and ask questions to the rocks in the space, and they answer, the problem is that we take a lot of time to understand the answer. And most animals have a lot of inteligence and are capable of things you aren't... their inteligence fits their need.


you know its pretty rich that you could post this 

"Well that is why the guy said your whole premise comes from your lack of knowledge..."

then post this

"A sine wave with the same period and amplitude with 180 degrees of phase is the same wave, the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period, amplitude and phase is exactaly equal the sine wave with 90 degrees phase... but even so they aren't opposite..."

 

for the last time you are wrong the reason why the waves cancel is because a 180 degree wave out of phase with the orignal is its inverse or opposite

as i said an example of this principle in action is noise cnacellation if you do not understand the principle go and research it before you reply to me

 

" the opposite of it is 90 degrees wave... and a cosine wave with the same period"

 

i'm going to repeat one last time that is incorrect the inverse of a wave is itself with a 180 degree phase difference

 

"You are assuming the same that theists assume, if we are inteligent them there must be something more inteligent than us that created us."

 

well its a fairly obvious correlation if we deem the discovering of maths by humans to be due to their intelligence then by extension some greater intelligence must have had a hand in createing maths to begin with

how you came to the conclusion that a cosine is the inverse of a sine is beyond me but i'm telling you for the last time you are wrong

 

"Also we during the centuries learned a lot from observing the rocks and animals"

 

true but we consider ourselves to be above them because of our intelligence we would never expect them to come up with complex mathematical constructs... we expect that to come from other entities with intelligence


I understand the principle of noise cancelation... and yes the right phase is 180 not 90, I was confounding the invertion of signal of sine/cosine function to the phase between them... in fact cosine graph is the same than sine graph with 90 degrees phase... so cosine plus 90 phase would negate a sine the sames as a sine 180 phase would negate a sine. But even so sine 180 isn't the opposite of sine (or -sine isn't opposite of sine) in concept, they just goes to the final result you contemplate.

Is dark the opposite of light??? Nope it's the same as in temperature, a scale of luminance. And even so a "complete black" cavity still radiate when it's hot. So again there is no proof of inteligent creator just because some things have perfect opposites. Much of what we think are opposites aren't discrete entities but just two poles of one scale.

Not all humans believe they are above animals or even more inteligent... And even though animals can't write or talk to us so we wouldn't see their thoughs they use very complex mathematical constructs by instinct. Do you think you as a very bright human could fly by yourself or using a plane without studying it? And even flying do you make all the calculations or is the aircraft already prepared to do it??? Birds do all of that all the time while flying.



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