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DonFerrari on 20 April 2015

What is the opposite of a straight line? A bent line? Can't use all that isn't one thing (like infinite things) as opposite to a single thing.

Also the "laws" you used (sine wave) isn't verified perfectly as that in the nature, they are perfect sine in theorical description, if you measure most of the things that generate sine wave it won't be perfect sine... there are a lot of discrepancies in the signal... also, what is the opposite of Sine? If you say cosine just because they are basically 90 degrees offset or that the sum of sine and cosine you would have nil, if you subtract you would get twice the signal not infinite...

Your logic just fits on your pretty straight definitions.



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
Very interesting... and the opposite of DNA or RNA is?

Not everything have an opposite. And sine or cosine aren't opossites, they are just a waveform.

Why do we keep creating this religious threads on VGC that is basically one side that won't ever accept that god may not exist or be as they describe while the other side won't accept that we just have to believe something is true if it can't be proved or disproved... it's just useless.


" the opposite of DNA or RNA is?"

 

they are matter so therefore the opposite of them would be void



hatmoza on 20 April 2015
o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:
Very interesting... and the opposite of DNA or RNA is?

Not everything have an opposite. And sine or cosine aren't opossites, they are just a waveform.

Why do we keep creating this religious threads on VGC that is basically one side that won't ever accept that god may not exist or be as they describe while the other side won't accept that we just have to believe something is true if it can't be proved or disproved... it's just useless.


" the opposite of DNA or RNA is?"

 

they are matter so therefore the opposite of them would be void


That's such a ... convenient answer. I am now questioning the motivation behind this thread.



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DonFerrari on 20 April 2015
o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:
Very interesting... and the opposite of DNA or RNA is?

Not everything have an opposite. And sine or cosine aren't opossites, they are just a waveform.

Why do we keep creating this religious threads on VGC that is basically one side that won't ever accept that god may not exist or be as they describe while the other side won't accept that we just have to believe something is true if it can't be proved or disproved... it's just useless.


" the opposite of DNA or RNA is?"

 

they are matter so therefore the opposite of them would be void

So the opposite of anything that exist is void??

What about the void within them?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

o_O.Q on 20 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
What is the opposite of a straight line? A bent line? Can't use all that isn't one thing (like infinite things) as opposite to a single thing.

Also the "laws" you used (sine wave) isn't verified perfectly as that in the nature, they are perfect sine in theorical description, if you measure most of the things that generate sine wave it won't be perfect sine... there are a lot of discrepancies in the signal... also, what is the opposite of Sine? If you say cosine just because they are basically 90 degrees offset or that the sum of sine and cosine you would have nil, if you subtract you would get twice the signal not infinite...

Your logic just fits on your pretty straight definitions.


"What is the opposite of a straight line?"

 that is an interesting one i'm honestly not sure but i'd say that the opposite of straight would be bent i would think

 

"Can't use all that isn't one thing (like infinite things) as opposite to a single thing."

i don't understand

 

"Also the "laws" you used (sine wave) isn't verified perfectly as that in the nature, they are perfect sine in theorical description, if you measure most of the things that generate sine wave it won't be perfect sine"

 

sure because there is a difference between ideal/theoretical and practical

however, i didn't say that would be the case what i did say is that the sine wave can be used to model the opposing forces that form our reality

 

" also, what is the opposite of Sine? "

 any wave that cancels it therefore a wave with the same magnitude and frequency that is 180 degrees out of phase with it



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
o_O.Q said:


" the opposite of DNA or RNA is?"

 

they are matter so therefore the opposite of them would be void

So the opposite of anything that exist is void??

What about the void within them?


the opposite of anything that consists of matter yes

edit: oh i see where you are going with that good point i guess everything ( edit everything tangible ) consist of both 

well let me put it this way then the opposite of the matter in them is void and the opposite of the void is matter



o_O.Q on 20 April 2015
TheFallen said:
So your basis of argument for a creator is because we can't explain or don't understand the Universe , then the only answer is that we cannot because of a creator. I guess the Earth was flat when people believed it to be, and only became spherical once it was discovered to be as such. It's almost as if you believe scientific discovery and understanding will come to a standstill and not progress along with the human species.


well i honestly have no idea where science is going to go in the future but i don't doubt that a lot of the science we take for granted now is wrong



DonFerrari on 20 April 2015
o_O.Q said:
DonFerrari said:
What is the opposite of a straight line? A bent line? Can't use all that isn't one thing (like infinite things) as opposite to a single thing.

Also the "laws" you used (sine wave) isn't verified perfectly as that in the nature, they are perfect sine in theorical description, if you measure most of the things that generate sine wave it won't be perfect sine... there are a lot of discrepancies in the signal... also, what is the opposite of Sine? If you say cosine just because they are basically 90 degrees offset or that the sum of sine and cosine you would have nil, if you subtract you would get twice the signal not infinite...

Your logic just fits on your pretty straight definitions.


"What is the opposite of a straight line?"

 that is an interesting one i'm honestly not sure but i'd say that the opposite of straight would be bent i would think

 

"Can't use all that isn't one thing (like infinite things) as opposite to a single thing."

i don't understand

 

"Also the "laws" you used (sine wave) isn't verified perfectly as that in the nature, they are perfect sine in theorical description, if you measure most of the things that generate sine wave it won't be perfect sine"

 

sure because there is a difference between ideal/theoretical and practical

however, i didn't say that would be the case what i did say is that the sine wave can be used to model the opposing forces that form our reality

 

" also, what is the opposite of Sine? "

 any wave that cancels it therefore a wave with the same magnitude and frequency that is 180 degrees out of phase with it


The first two items are the answer for the question...

There are infinite things that aren't a perfect straight line, so you can't say not straight (or bent) is the opposite of straight (they are opposite just in gramatic but not in mathematic).

Again what I'm saying is that in logic you can 't have one thing opposite to all else that isn't it... opposition is binary. Like the method to prove something is right is like proving that all else is wrong (won't enter the details, but it basically is proving by negative).

 

Sine wave is the way human can use to explain (or model) the things in nature. It doesn't necessarily mimic the phenomenom.

if you put phase 180 degrees for sine you still get sine. cosine is the 90 degree phase of sine. So they aren't exactly opposites, you could use them as they are binary in opposition. Now you see the difference?

The cold/hot opposition per example... it really is amount of heat and how you perceive... so 0k or absolute zero (would be your coolest point) is the "total absence of heat" while we still don't know what is the maximum existing heat as far as I'm aware to have the 2 opposites, altough they wouldn't be opposite, just the 2 extremes of a scale.



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o_O.Q on 20 April 2015
DonFerrari said:
o_O.Q said:


"What is the opposite of a straight line?"

 that is an interesting one i'm honestly not sure but i'd say that the opposite of straight would be bent i would think

 

"Can't use all that isn't one thing (like infinite things) as opposite to a single thing."

i don't understand

 

"Also the "laws" you used (sine wave) isn't verified perfectly as that in the nature, they are perfect sine in theorical description, if you measure most of the things that generate sine wave it won't be perfect sine"

 

sure because there is a difference between ideal/theoretical and practical

however, i didn't say that would be the case what i did say is that the sine wave can be used to model the opposing forces that form our reality

 

" also, what is the opposite of Sine? "

 any wave that cancels it therefore a wave with the same magnitude and frequency that is 180 degrees out of phase with it


The first two items are the answer for the question...

There are infinite things that aren't a perfect straight line, so you can't say not straight (or bent) is the opposite of straight (they are opposite just in gramatic but not in mathematic).

Again what I'm saying is that in logic you can 't have one thing opposite to all else that isn't it... opposition is binary. Like the method to prove something is right is like proving that all else is wrong (won't enter the details, but it basically is proving by negative).

 

Sine wave is the way human can use to explain (or model) the things in nature. It doesn't necessarily mimic the phenomenom.

if you put phase 180 degrees for sine you still get sine. cosine is the 90 degree phase of sine. So they aren't exactly opposites, you could use them as they are binary in opposition. Now you see the difference?

The cold/hot opposition per example... it really is amount of heat and how you perceive... so 0k or absolute zero (would be your coolest point) is the "total absence of heat" while we still don't know what is the maximum existing heat as far as I'm aware to have the 2 opposites, altough they wouldn't be opposite, just the 2 extremes of a scale.


"There are infinite things that aren't a perfect straight line"

you mean like exponential increase?

 

"if you put phase 180 degrees for sine you still get sine"

yes its still a sine wave but due to displacement its the opposite of the original which is why why have technology like noise cancellation 

waves that are exactly out of phase are used to cancel the sound waves that are unwanted when someone is listening to music

sure the two sets of waves have the same shape ( like with the sine example ) but they are different/opposite in the sense that they are out of phase which is why they cancel

 

" while we still don't know what is the maximum existing heat as far as I'm aware to have the 2 opposites, altough they wouldn't be opposite, just the 2 extremes of a scale."

 

that is a good point its true that increasing heat and increasing lack of heat don't proportionally rise to two exact opposites because i think at some point as you said a point is reached where 0k is reached so molecules stop moving while we don't know as of yet what the hottest temperature possible is

but wait hold on i'm sure that i've heard of a substance going down past zero kelvin before

oh yeah here

http://www.livescience.com/25959-atoms-colder-than-absolute-zero.html

but still you have a point there its just that this is something that i'm honestly seeing everywhere 

even politics with the left and right, on the left people that want more and more control being imposed while the right wants the opposite less control more freedom



Dgc1808 on 20 April 2015
o_O.Q said:
Dgc1808 said:

o_O.Q said:

 "None of them point to a god"

they point to intelligence... observing the world as a human its quite clear that regardless of the diversity in nature laws that exhibit a great complexity are generally created by us

therefore complex laws from our experience are directly associated with intelligence do you disagree with that ascertion?

"You simply state that you don't understand how they can be how they are without god"

i clarified this above according to our experience of the world complex laws appear to only be formed by entities that exhibit intelligence

" The problem is your knowledge and nothing else."

well there is no information that contradicts my assertion or in other words no one can definitively prove that the universe was not created so...

1) They do not point to an intelligence. These "laws" (I'm not even sure I'd call them laws) you're referring to are just descriptions. Nothing points to them being proscribed by anything other than us as a way to desribe our world. The examples you gave demonstrate you're just making whimsical ascertions.  Hot and cold are opposites? What does that mean? There's just more heat or less heat. If one room is 10 kelvin and another is 150 kelvin which one is the hot based on your experience? What is the opposite of 2 degrees Kelvin based on your human experience? 

2) "there is no information that contradicts my assertion or in other words no one can definitively prove that the universe was not created so"

There's your problem again. "My creator fits here and you can't prove to me that my creator doesn't exist". Nothing contradicts Last Thursday-ism or Solipsism either. I guess those are both right.

"These "laws" (I'm not even sure I'd call them laws) you're referring to are just descriptions. "

yes laws, rules etc are generally descriptive since they describe conditions that processes function by that should be obvious

" Hot and cold are opposites? What does that mean? "

"There's just more heat or less heat."

lol it means just what i posted the opposite of something is the lack or reversal of it or in other words when there's less of something 

when there's less light you move closer to darkness

when there's less happiness you go closer to sadness

when there's less good there's more bad 

when there's less freedom you go closer to slavery etc etc etc

"If one room is 10 kelvin and another is 150 kelvin which one is the hot based on your experience? What is the opposite of 2 degrees Kelvin based on your human experience? "

this is why i said that there is a spectrum between two opposing forces or in other words there's a scale between the two

"There's your problem again. "My creator fits here and you can't prove to me that my creator doesn't exist""

i backed what i said up by stating that complex laws are generally creations coming from intelligence if you disagree with that that's cool

"when there's less happiness you go closer to sadness" - No. A Non-happy person isn't necessarily a sad one.

"when there's less good there's more bad " - No. Because of obious. 

I can  on with that but my point originally was that this "law is opposites" wasn't clearly explained/defined or just flawed. A person completely void of joy isn't a sad person. They're just not happy. This point is irrelevent now because what I want to talk about this: 

"yes laws, rules etc are generally descriptive since they describe conditions that processes function by that should be obvious" and "complex laws are generally creations coming from intelligence"

Are these "laws" just the result of an intelligence attempting to describe observations, or are they caused by an intelligence? If you're post was making no attempt to ascert causation (which is what I assumed you were trying to do), then your title makes no sense. You'd have to point out how some intelligence caused these "laws" to take the forms that they do, not just how some intelligence describes or interprets them. At the moment, it just seems like you're pointing things out and saying an intelligence did it with no explanation as to how we would know this. 



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