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HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Soriku said:
HollyGamer said:
From ancient of times until now many people try to create life form a dead cell or chemicals composition, the result is " ZERO ". Many scientists even try to create single living cell from protein but until now there are none. Randomness will create nothing but creation or living being and material was build structurally perfect. even human DNA and RNA is have a perfect math and calculation for each pair .


If DNA/RNA was built "perfectly" no organism wouldn't have illnesses, diseases, birth defects. That's obviously not the case.

Are one of the people who believes that birth is being guided by some god, as opposed to being a natural process? What about evolution?

HollyGamer said:
From ancient of times until now many people try to create life form a dead cell or chemicals composition, the result is " ZERO ". Many scientists even try to create single living cell from protein but until now there are none. Randomness will create nothing but creation or living being and material was build structurally perfect. even human DNA and RNA is have a perfect math and calculation for each pair .

God of the gaps.

The OP doesn't have a very strong case. How do you go from "there are opposites in nature" to "there must be a creator"? Similarly, the hierarchy argument is just silly. The distribution of wealth is just a logical organization that makes note that not everyone will have the same amount of resources - not like the world is perfectly uniform. Similarly, organisms have adapted to a wide range of environments and ecological situations. Naturally, some will exhibit different types of emergent properties, ranking them higher than others on the biological hierarchy, although this doesn't make some organisms "better" than another. This is also distinctly related to evolution, not a supernaturally-guided process.

"Wrong " if RNA and DNA or atom   is not perfect it will not create "ORGANISME " or Material or it will not create anything, sick, virus, ilness, disease, birth deffect is part of the creations.

i answer both question, un uniform ecosystem, variety is part of the creation, it's perffect.



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HollyGamer on 20 April 2015

Soriku said:

This is also distinctly related to evolution, not a supernaturally-guided process.

What evolution, evolution theory has already debunked, it's an old "theory" and modern molecular biology science have prove that "imposible for  RNA and DNA of one species to eveolve to one another. 



Torillian on 20 April 2015
HollyGamer said:
From ancient of times until now many people try to create life form a dead cell or chemicals composition, the result is " ZERO ". Many scientists even try to create single living cell from protein but until now there are none. Randomness will create nothing but creation or living being and material was build structurally perfect. even human DNA and RNA is have a perfect math and calculation for each pair .

I'll never understand why people think that the fact that science has yet to recreate angiogenisis in the 60 years since the 50's when we started to really understand biochemistry then the theory is disproved.  The concept is that angiogenesis took billions of years and is an incredibly unlikely event, so I'm not surprised at all that it has yet to be recreated in a lab.  

If you're aruing that there has to be a creator you can't just say "science has yet to explain ____" because that's a weak argument, you should be talking about why science will never explain _____.   And I'll give you a hint, the idea that science hasn't explained it yet doesn't mean that it never will.  



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Torillian on 20 April 2015
HollyGamer said:

Soriku said:

This is also distinctly related to evolution, not a supernaturally-guided process.

What evolution, evolution theory has already debunked, it's an old "theory" and modern molecular biology science have prove that "imposible for  RNA and DNA of one species to eveolve to one another. 


citation required.  seriously, show me the modern molecular biology science that says macroevolution is impossible.  



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HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Torillian said:
HollyGamer said:
From ancient of times until now many people try to create life form a dead cell or chemicals composition, the result is " ZERO ". Many scientists even try to create single living cell from protein but until now there are none. Randomness will create nothing but creation or living being and material was build structurally perfect. even human DNA and RNA is have a perfect math and calculation for each pair .

I'll never understand why people think that the fact that science has yet to recreate angiogenisis in the 60 years since the 50's when we started to really understand biochemistry then the theory is disproved.  The concept is that angiogenesis took billions of years and is an incredibly unlikely event, so I'm not surprised at all that it has yet to be recreated in a lab.  

If you're aruing that there has to be a creator you can't just say "science has yet to explain ____" because that's a weak argument, you should be talking about why science will never explain _____.   And I'll give you a hint, the idea that science hasn't explained it yet doesn't mean that it never will.  

Science will never able to "explain" God because it exist on different realm, plan and dimension and with limitness of human brain, it's imposible for human to explain and defining about God as entity, except for His  creations. The science it self is a creation from the Creator to help human recognise their Creator.



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HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Soriku said:
HollyGamer said:

"Wrong " if RNA and DNA or atom   is not perfect it will not create "ORGANISME " or Material or it will not create anything, sick, virus, ilness, disease, birth deffect is part of the creations.

i answer both question, un uniform ecosystem, variety is part of the creation, it's perffect.


What does it mean for DNA or RNA to be perfect? DNA is constantly being broken down, deleted, has new information added, mutated, etc. Despite this it's always able to create new organisms - although some are fated for early deaths, sometimes as early as birth or even earlier. I don't know why defects are a part of "perfect" creation. If you bought a PS4 and it had some issues like the power not always turning on, the fan constantly going on and off, glitches on the screen appear constantly, would you call it a perfect creation? I doubt it.

 

"DNA is constantly being broken down, deleted, has new information added, mutated, etc. Despite this it's always able to create new organisms" that's why it's perfect if there is no intelegent Creator it would not able to do that nd it will just create nothingness or it simply wont exist, it's even replacing and mutating automaticly, how perffect the creations is

" If you bought a PS4 and it had some issues like the power not always turning on, the fan constantly going on and off, glitches on the screen appear constantly, would you call it a perfect creation? I doubt it."  So you compare human with 400 USD PS4???? Ok my friend i guess that's why racisme is exist because of this kind of thinking, Human cannot compare to dead object.



HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Soriku said:
HollyGamer said:

Science will never able to "explain" God because it exist on different realm, plan and dimension and with limitness of human brain, it's imposible for human to explain and defining about God as entity, except for His  creations. The science it self is a creation from the Creator to help human recognise their Creator.

 

Science will never able to "explain" the Flying Spaghetti Monster because it exist on different realm, plan and dimension and with limitness of human brain, it's imposible for human to explain and defining about Flying Spaghetti Monster as entity, except for His  creations. The pasta maker it self is a creation from the Creator to help human recognise their Creator's delicious pasta.

You can't use special pleading in an argument. Also it took sure took God a long time to impart us with vaccines huh? Not actual research and trial and error...

Also if anything, science is making us realize a creator isn't necessary. Seems this perfect Creator's plan is backfiring.

"Science will never able to "explain" the Flying Spaghetti Monster because it exist on different realm, plan and dimension and with limitness of human brain, it's imposible for human to explain and defining about Flying Spaghetti Monster as entity, except for His  creations. The pasta maker it self is a creation from the Creator to help human recognise their Creator's delicious pasta."

What??? we are talking the Omnipotent here not (Pasta) human creation, anything that u can see from your eyes and thing with science it's His creation, but not the Creator, yet still you just prove that you unable to prove what God is, and dont bring Cristian God that resembles human, that is false God.

"You can't use special pleading in an argument. Also it took sure took God a long time to impart us with vaccines huh? Not actual research and trial and error..."

War, poverty, deadly virus, dead, and crime, is just exist because God allow it to happen in this logical world, this world is just a test for human and it will not exist for eternity. everything that create in this universe is for human kind, from animal, plant, earth only for the purpose of worshiping God. Even God create dead to help human, dead is not the end for everything.

and why the hell you discusiing this, isn't we were discusing

Observation Shows Overwhelming Evidence for a Creator



HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Soriku said:
HollyGamer said:

"DNA is constantly being broken down, deleted, has new information added, mutated, etc. Despite this it's always able to create new organisms" that's why it's perfect if there is no intelegent Creator it would not able to do that nd it will just create nothingness or it simply wont exist, it's even replacing and mutating automaticly, how perffect the creations is

" If you bought a PS4 and it had some issues like the power not always turning on, the fan constantly going on and off, glitches on the screen appear constantly, would you call it a perfect creation? I doubt it."  So you compare human with 400 USD PS4???? Ok my friend i guess that's why racisme is exist because of this kind of thinking, Human cannot compare to dead object.


Again, it's a natural process, not a guided one. DNA is obviously an emergent property.

"So you compare human with 400 USD PS4???? Ok my friend i guess that's why racisme is exist because of this kind of thinking, Human cannot compare to dead object."

Way to completely miss the point. A PS4 with those defects is not perfect. Similarly, a human (or any other organism) with those defects is also not perfect.

"Again, it's a natural process, not a guided one. DNA is obviously an emergent property."  and yet how natural process can be made? who made it that way, it cannot be simply exist without creation,

I ask you who made the gravitational law exist, who made the quantom theory exist, who made the water look like and taste like, who made that u are human?

PS4 with those defect is far from human deffect, for human even it's deffect they can show more effort and do better then a perffect human even more for  human creation dead object like PS4.



HollyGamer on 20 April 2015
Torillian said:
HollyGamer said:

Soriku said:

This is also distinctly related to evolution, not a supernaturally-guided process.

What evolution, evolution theory has already debunked, it's an old "theory" and modern molecular biology science have prove that "imposible for  RNA and DNA of one species to eveolve to one another. 


citation required.  seriously, show me the modern molecular biology science that says macroevolution is impossible.  

Actually there are alot of book you can search on google or on every science research like this "

What Scientists Say About Evolution The modern theory of ...

afcinc.org/Portals/1/MC%20Lit/WSSAE-E.pdf
or you can just look on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution


Torillian on 20 April 2015
HollyGamer said:
Torillian said:
HollyGamer said:

Soriku said:

This is also distinctly related to evolution, not a supernaturally-guided process.

What evolution, evolution theory has already debunked, it's an old "theory" and modern molecular biology science have prove that "imposible for  RNA and DNA of one species to eveolve to one another. 


citation required.  seriously, show me the modern molecular biology science that says macroevolution is impossible.  

Actually there are alot of book you can search on google or on every science research like this "

What Scientists Say About Evolution The modern theory of ...

afcinc.org/Portals/1/MC%20Lit/WSSAE-E.pdf
or you can just look on Wikipedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objections_to_evolution


I don't want an opinion piece, I want a peer reviewed scientific article with the proof that macroevolution is impossible.  Show me you've done some real research and that you don't just google things to use in internet arguments.  



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