In NA i reckon the Xbox reached a stage 2 years ago where its brand was much bigger, it's just that MS fucked up big time.

You don't get the point of the thread do you? the question is if ps is stronger than xbox brand wise not profit wise and I already gave you the reason.  Let me go through it again, how is it possible that a console that launched at 599/499, 200 more expensive that the competition, launched one year later in US (europe was 1 year and half later) manage to sell on par with 360? the only way to do that is to have a better brand recognition than the competition.  If you invert the situation, 360 would have been a disaster and although I can't say xbox one is a disaster, you have almost an example how 360 would have performed with xbox one. 

If ps3 was weaker or not, it didn't matter, it was perceived like that by most gamers due to having most of the inferior ports.  The losses that sony got it's irrelevant to the market perception of the brand.  Sony can sell hundreds of ps consoles, everyone could have one, everyone could be talking about it but if sony made the decision to sell something at a loss or have a poor decision making in the hardware process, it's their decision.  When consumers are deciding to buy something, they never take into account a much of a loss the company is taking, so again, brand recognition have nothing to do with how many losses sony generated with ps3 since consumers didn't make any decision when deciding how to make the ps3, they just buy the product they want and that's it. 

Let me sum up everything I have just written.  If both consoles are launched on the same condition,  ps consoles have higher probability to win a console war against xbox consoles.  I'm not saying they are invincible but that's the reality.  sony made a huge mistake with ps3 and still manage to be on the top 5 of all time.  xbox one will be lucky to hit 50million let alone 60million.  Look at Wii U, nintendo made a mistake and will be lucky to hit 20milliion.  You can tell that in the console space, ps is the strongest brand.

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Alot of mislead fanboys. PS3 didnt catch the 360, the 360 slowed down where as Sony kept support. 360 was outselling the PS3 for most of last generation and took until the unsupported 360 in its last couple years to lose its lead.

In other words the PS3 didn't catch the 360 via brand name, it caught up based off other reasons. If MS continued supporting the 360 then the 360 would still be in front. Also take to account the PS3 had a built in Blu Ray player so it appealed to more markets then the 360 which was only gaming. My friend brought 4 PS3s for Blu Ray movies while only one was used just for games. Still today I believe the 360s customers use there consoles more for gaming then most PS3 users.

The brand is only as strong as the marketing which both Nintendo and MS market strong in only afew countries unlike Sony who use aggressive marketing tactics to sell the PS4. 

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Of course Xbox is a weaker brand. Xbox has become synonymous with hardware failure(red ring) weaker network(going down all the time from DDos, accounts constantly being hacked, and having a network flaw since the launch of 360 that allowed anyone to log into any account via bypassing the password requirement by pressing spacebar..) Overcharging/ripping off their users(XBL, and the original vision of XB1 which would have practically taken away gamers right to own the games they pay for) and continuously releasing exclusives that are broken/unfinished at launch.

No offense but you are perfectly suitable for pc games space, why?, the console space is definitely not your area of expertise as much as you try to show that.

Actually your first sentence is incorrect the PS3 actually outsold the 360 for most of last generation. The two WOULD NOT be this close other wise. Matter of fact if I am not mistaken launch aligned the PS3 outsold the 360 every year except maybe one I think. You say "a lot of mislead fanboys" but then give incorrect information which makes it seem like the pot is calling the kettle black....just my thoughts on your post.

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Yeah I think the PS brand is stronger than the XB brand. 

Playstation has always been stronger worldwide. The only reason the 360 had a chance last gen is because Microsoft launched first with a similar gameplan to Sony but boasting greater online elements (at the desperation inspire risk of faulty, broken consoles). Sony fucked up their launch by getting cocky, but now they are back to their winning ways because they didn't screw up twice.

i guess. but "xbox" has become shorthand for "playing videogames" the way nintendo used to be.

maybe in USA, but in the rest of the world