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JazzB1987 on 06 April 2015

oh god no. ND is totally overhyped.

Jumpin said:
Retro is INCREDIBLY overrated.

In 17 years they have only made 5 games. 4 of those 5 are inferior clones (2 inferior Metroid Prime clones, and 2 inferior DKC clones).

Retro's games are rated highly only based on the license they are using. If they had made the games they did without those licenses, they would not be rated highly.


LOL seriously?
Retro games are rated high because of their quality. Even if they are inferior clones of the original games they are still better than 95% of the games out there.



On the other hand (I know you dont defend ND here but I will say this anyway)
ND is cloning Tomb Raider and then cloning its clone.
Having a line up of crap platformers (mario, rayman,DK, spyro, Ratchet n Clank are all better than Crash or Jak n Daxter)
and then makes the most overrated game in history TLoU that focuses more on visuals than on  gameplay. (PS3 cant handle that game FAIL)
It also just exists because ND could not come up with something unique and then jumped on the "zombies are cool now" train.
(and NO infected and Zombies are not fundamentaly different. Its the same thing. Even ND knows this thats why they use banjo's or whatever in their soundtrack)

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siavm on 06 April 2015

Playing me too is not something nintendo is going to do. They play by their own rules. And they help make the rules that have moved gaming over the years. Things change and what is hot today may not stay this way in a few years. So I rather them let the people they have make the light games. Because gaming is not just about mass murder. It is about playing fun games. Sure shooting is fun but I rather have different type of games that are fun then playing as some white guy in another open world that shooting people to the point it kind of just feels off. I like those games but I still like what nintendo does.



Vodacixi on 06 April 2015
Jumpin said:
Retro is INCREDIBLY overrated.

In 17 years they have only made 5 games. 4 of those 5 are inferior clones (2 inferior Metroid Prime clones, and 2 inferior DKC clones).

Retro's games are rated highly only based on the license they are using. If they had made the games they did without those licenses, they would not be rated highly.


I agree with DK Country: Returns. But Tropical Freeze, Prime 2 and Prime 3 are pretty damn good, and they're easily at the level of the originals.



biglittlesps on 06 April 2015
JazzB1987 said:

oh god no. ND is totally overhyped.

Jumpin said:
Retro is INCREDIBLY overrated.

In 17 years they have only made 5 games. 4 of those 5 are inferior clones (2 inferior Metroid Prime clones, and 2 inferior DKC clones).

Retro's games are rated highly only based on the license they are using. If they had made the games they did without those licenses, they would not be rated highly.


LOL seriously?
Retro games are rated high because of their quality. Even if they are inferior clones of the original games they are still better than 95% of the games out there.



On the other hand (I know you dont defend ND here but I will say this anyway)
ND is cloning Tomb Raider and then cloning its clone.
Having a line up of crap platformers (mario, rayman,DK, spyro, Ratchet n Clank are all better than Crash or Jak n Daxter)
and then makes the most overrated game in history TLoU that focuses more on visuals than on  gameplay. (PS3 cant handle that game FAIL)
It also just exists because ND could not come up with something unique and then jumped on the "zombies are cool now" train.
(and NO infected and Zombies are not fundamentaly different. Its the same thing. Even ND knows this thats why they use banjo's or whatever in their soundtrack)


ND did not clone Tomb raider so they just used treasure hunting concept and made it play like hollywood action game instead of going around more focus on puzzles like Tomb raider game (now this game copying Uncharted and forgetting its roots of puzzle oriented game from 2013 reboot). ND is very talented studio as they made highly rated games across different genres in each generation with their own IP's and output high quality games in every aspect(technical, gameplay, story, music etc.,) every 2 years in good pace. ND are perfectionists you troll as they proved themselves in 30 years with games and sales as one of the Top developers of all time.

 



GAMING is not about spending hours to pass/waste our time just for fun,

its a Feeling/Experience about a VIRTUAL WORLD we can never be in real, and realizing some of our dreams (also creating new ones).

So, Feel Emotions, Experience Adventure/Action, Challenge Game, Solve puzzles and Have fun.

PlayStation is about all-round "New experiences" using new IP's to provide great diversity for everyone.

Xbox is always about Online and Shooting.

Nintendo is always about Fun games and milking IP's.

KLXVER on 06 April 2015

Naughty Dog is Naughty Dog and Retro Studios is Retro Studios. I enjoy the variety of games from both of them. It would be sad to see one of them just copying the other...



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zorg1000 on 06 April 2015
aLkaLiNE said:

@Zorg1000: I see your scenario as this - Disney is the brand. Pixar is a Dev team, Marvel is a Dev team, Disney animation, LucasArts etc. Saying Pixar needs to branch out from what they do is akin to saying infinity ward should branch out in what they do. Really we should be looking at the platform though, not the Dev team. Disney has multiple teams that deliver on a wide range of content aimed at a plethora of age groups. Nintendo has all these Dev teams but they don't explore new genres without making them, in my opinion childish.


Alright I can agree with Disney=Nintendo, Disney has Marvel/LucasArts that make films more aimed at adults (while still being acceptable for kids), but doesn't Nintendo have the same thing?

Disney-Avengers, Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean

Nintendo-Metroid, Xenoblade Chronicles, Fire Emblem

Disney also has Touchstone as a subsidiary, that has made R-rated films, while Nintendo has been willing to publish M-rated games such as Eternal Darkness, Geist, Bayonetta, Devil's Third over they years.



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Frogger on 06 April 2015
KLXVER said:
Naughty Dog is Naughty Dog and Retro Studios is Retro Studios. I enjoy the variety of games from both of them. It would be sad to see one of them just copying the other...


I never once said "Retro should make games like ND." People are misunderstanding what I'm saying.



Cloudman on 06 April 2015
spemanig said:
Cloudman said:

Should they bother to release anything big on the Wii U? It'd seem like a wasted effort overall if they did. What good what it do for them to start on the Wii U rather than on the NX? It'd probably be better for them to start on a clean slate on the NX rather than risk having poor sales on a dying console. It doesn't seem like it would be a PS3 turnaround in this case.


No matter what they put out on the Wii U, it won't have satisfactory sales. It's more of a TLOU situation. Sony released TLOU at the tail end of the system's life. Right after it gained critical aclaim, the PS4 headed out the door. There's no question that the success of that game lended to the fantastic positive initial sales of the PS4, especially from those switching from the 360. Even now, the positive reception of the Wii U's library isn't going unnoticed. When you're down, that's when it's most important to throw your hardest punches.

Nintendo could always pull a Twilight Princess though and release it on both, but I still think it needs to release on the Wii U first.

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Frogger on 06 April 2015
zorg1000 said:

Alright I can agree with Disney=Nintendo, Disney has Marvel/LucasArts that make films more aimed at adults (while still being acceptable for kids), but doesn't Nintendo have the same thing?

Disney-Avengers, Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean

Nintendo-Metroid, Xenoblade Chronicles, Fire Emblem

Disney also has Touchstone as a subsidiary, that has made R-rated films, while Nintendo has been willing to publish M-rated games such as Eternal Darkness, Geist, Bayonetta, Devil's Third over they years.


Again, while I like the Disney comparisons, the point isn't their age demographic. You listed a bunch of games targeted at older gamers, yet they haven't helped Nintendo sell to the masses, because the masses aren't interested in those types of games. They're all niche japanese games (aside from ED and Geist, which are straight up niche) for the niche Nintendo audience.

What Nintendo needs, like I said, are AAA western franchises with mass market appeal.



zorg1000 on 06 April 2015
spemanig said:
zorg1000 said:

Alright I can agree with Disney=Nintendo, Disney has Marvel/LucasArts that make films more aimed at adults (while still being acceptable for kids), but doesn't Nintendo have the same thing?

Disney-Avengers, Star Wars, Pirates of the Caribbean

Nintendo-Metroid, Xenoblade Chronicles, Fire Emblem

Disney also has Touchstone as a subsidiary, that has made R-rated films, while Nintendo has been willing to publish M-rated games such as Eternal Darkness, Geist, Bayonetta, Devil's Third over they years.


Again, while I like the Disney comparisons, the point isn't their age demographic. You listed a bunch of games targeted at older gamers, yet they haven't helped Nintendo sell to the masses, because the masses aren't interested in those types of games. They're all niche japanese games (aside from ED and Geist, which are straight up niche) for the niche Nintendo audience.

What Nintendo needs, like I said, are AAA western franchises with mass market appeal.

I wasn't replying to u tho, I was replying to a person that essentially said, "Nintendo needs to grow up".

Read my post on the first page, make Retro/Next Level/Monster their western trifecta.

Retro-FPS/WRPG, Next Level-Sports, Monster-Racing



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