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kowenicki said:
ZarskiSold said:
kowenicki said:


Ahh I see. Thanks, I can now discard your comments as irrelevant and silly.

7.5m v 7.0m.  Some dud.


500 to 350

399 - 399

Selling less majority of the months, what is it 12 to 3 or something. 

Relying on heavy discounts and losses = a dud any way you want to argue it.  

Nope.  Sorry, however you want to spin it the sales are the sales.  7.5m to 7m isn't a ps2 beater versus a dud.  Sorry.

Still love to see what you consider the lifetime US sales of this "dud" to be?  But you wont say....

About 40% of PS4 sales lt, americans looking for pew pew pew gamnes will still buy it.  Especially the walmart crowd when the x1 its on deep holiday doscunts.

Like is said it does not matter, x1 can sale 5 7 10m a year yet it will have little to no effect on PS4 sales.  For what ever reason PS4 just sales well month after month.  While it obvious X1 needs heavy discounts and bundleing to move.  



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ZarskiSold said:
kowenicki said:

So about 55 to 60m for ps4 in the US?  and what will Xbox One and WiiU sell there?

Irrelevent, what those two duds do is pretty meaningless and should be clear to most as far as PS4 sales are concerned.  


So, the PS4 is going to outsell the most successful console in history but the One, which is currently about 700k behind in lifetime totals in this region is a "dud"? How does that work? Also; the Wii U has sold 4.3 million in NA in about 2.5 years while the One has sold 7.3 million and the PS4 around 8 million in 1.5 years, if the parameters of sales are that wide; doesn't that also, by your very definition, make the PS4 a dud?



In sales MAYBE, and just MAYBE. In terms of games library... not even close. It'll be like comparing SNES and Wii.



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How exactly? it won't have the sales and it definetely won't have the game quantity and quality of ps2.



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Victorytime said:

And obviously
Kowenicki has no clue about anything


Well he's very pro Microsoft so will say anything to defend them. 

 

Anyway, PS4 is currently tracking ahead of the PS2. However, the PS2's first 7 months of sales were Japan only, it did not even release in North America or Europe till the end of 2000. The PS2 was also heavily supply constrained and due to the market at the time, more than 50 million sales come after the PS3 came out. Something like that just won't happen again, even the PS3 has only sold around ~7 million since the PS4 came out and likely won't even sell 15 million extra. (95m max).

As you can see below, here is PS4 vs PS2 worldwide when launches are aligned, again please take into account the above notes. 

 

And here is my prediction for this genertion, I believe that by the end of 2019 the PS4/XB1/WiU will have reached or exceeded 150 million units combined with the PS4 accounting for between 60-70% market share. Please not the graph below is the first 7 years with launches aligned, it only goes up to end of 2018 for this gen. 



Let's ignore the alt account and move on. I won't be replying to it and I suggest others do the same.



Sales wise, maybe. Platform wise, it needs to get some games. "Bloodborne" alone does not a legendary system make. The PS2 had an excellent library by this time in its lifespan - let's hope the next few years are very kind to the PS4 (in terms of quality exclusives).



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kowenicki said:

these graphs are lovely, of course they tell us nothing as its apples v oranges... a fact you acknowledge.

your opinion on will it outell the ps2? globally and in the us?

 

 


You didn't read my post did you? I answer the global question right there. 



Mummelmann said:
ZarskiSold said:

Irrelevent, what those two duds do is pretty meaningless and should be clear to most as far as PS4 sales are concerned.  


So, the PS4 is going to outsell the most successful console in history but the One, which is currently about 700k behind in lifetime totals in this region is a "dud"? How does that work? Also; the Wii U has sold 4.3 million in NA in about 2.5 years while the One has sold 7.3 million and the PS4 around 8 million in 1.5 years, if the parameters of sales are that wide; doesn't that also, by your very definition, make the PS4 a dud?

Ps4 sold at full price, while the dud got heavy discounts to move.  A flaied product or a dud can sale alot if you discout it enough, but it means a quick market death (ex blackberry tablet)   

Works by common factors in sales, pricing and long term product sales.  Cuting kintect and then to 349 worked wery well short term, but they ruined their long term sales potential.  

Excesivly fast discounting of any priduct kills its long term sales, since you can only cut so much for so long.  MS has exhausted their ceeling for cuts quite fast.  PS4 has a long healthy life of price cuts before it.  Having sold 20 million plus at full price, its long term sales potential is multiple times better.

 Cant blame them for doing what they had to since X1 was falling and they had to do something.  But their is a price to pay with their strategy.