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Yeah, I'm waiting for Surface Pro 4 for that Xbox One streaming! The Pro 4 is rumored to launch in July.



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padib said:

Let me explain why I would not purchase this as an ipad replacement, for anyone serious about buying this. (For the record, I had my father buy a surface pro 2 and it was a good decision.)

Did you know that the windows 8.1 mode is difficult to see at 1920x1080? Coupling to a 27' HD screen makes this machine very usable, but on the road it is only a temporary setup. It's not really a proper mobile device. If you lower the resolution, you will see much less on screen and it makes the whole windows 8.1 mode less usable.

Why is "the windows 8.1 mode difficult to see at 1920x1280" on an 10.8''-tablet? Even my much smaller 8.3''-Windows tablet with a gorgeous 1920x1200-display is perfectly readable without changing the font size. Not only when I hold it in my hands, but also if I place it 2 feet away and connect my bluetooth keyboard with it... the display of the Surface 3 is 74% bigger. And if you prefer bigger letters, you can increase the font size instead of lowering the resolution.



When it come to mobile I am not looking for an I5 or I7 gaming machine. My desktop already takes care of that. Just want something to browse the web, email and some apps from the store. I know I can get that from a $100 tablet like the HP Stream but just I love Microsoft Surface!



meh I don't really like it (the price) thanks to the weak euro.
if they used the old 1$:1€ exchange rate it would be ok but now $499 is now 599€ ...

and the $599 4gb/128gb is 719€ -> without digitizer which is 50-70€ -> 770-790€.
you can get the surface 3 pro i5 with 4gb/128 for 799€ or 850€ without sale.

even the cheapiest one 599€ ... you can get the i3 with double the memory and same ssd for less than 699€, 650€ when lucky with pen ... so it might be even cheaper to get the pro if you need the pen.

 

tldr:

if you don't mind the fan and 2" more and need the pen get the pro, since its the same price or even cheaper in europe.



With the decently configured Pro version Macbook Pro Retina and Yoga 3 Pro (and the Thinkpad Yoga)) still seem like a better product and value to me. The pen isn't really usable for drawing at only 50 levels of pressure.
The non-Pro seems like a poor all-around performer, neither here nor there.



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I still have mixed feelings about Windows 8 tablets, as I bought my parents a Windows 8 tablet for christmas, for they were often struggling with their Windows XP desktop PC (my parents are both over 70 and are anything but tech-savvy).

I first wanted to buy them an Android tablet, but when I saw a 10" Windows 8 tablet with a fast quadcore x86-processor for under 200 Euros, that simply seemed like the better choice for the money. After all, the tablet would be able to run all the Windows desktop software they were already familiar with etc., and in case Windows wouldn't turn out to be the best choice, I assumed booting/installing a different OS like Linux or Android would be about as simple as on a typical x86 notebook/desktop PC.

Well, I really like the hardware. The quadcore CPU is doing a fine job, the whole tablet is very responsible, battery time is okay etc. But that's about the positive things.
- the classical desktop mode turned out not to be very useful. Desktop applications work fine, but their UI is clearly targeted towards precise mouse pointer-type input devices. My parents fingers turned out to be way too big to even think of using classical desktop applications without attaching an additional mouse.
- "No big deal!", I first thought, "that's one of the main reasons they invented Metro apps." So I looked in the app store, only to find out that the library of useful metro apps is still very very limited.
- As I had plans to install a small and simple piece of software on my parents tablet but couldn't find anything in the official app store, I decided to simply develop a small Metro app myself. Getting in touch with developing for a new software environment always seems like a good idea! Well, my motiviation instantly got shattered when I realized that it would be impossible to install and use my self-developed Metro app on my parents tablet, for Microsoft is extremely restrictive when it comes to what they call "sideloading". It is apparently possible on certain "enterprise" versions of Windows 8 if the company has Active Directory servers or something but it turned out to be impossible on the "Windows 8 with Bing"-version installed on my parents tablet. The only chance would have been to publish the software on the official Windows app store.
- Booting to a different OS turned out to be hard to impossible as well, although it seems some Linux hackers are making progress in this direction

So ultimately, my plan to give my parents a computer they would have much less trouble with than their current Windows XP PC completely failed. In practice, all my parents are using the tablet for is for playing Sudoku and Solitaire, and for anything else they still always turn on their Windows XP PC.

Unless I should eventually find some way to boot/install a different OS, I guess I should have bought an Android tablet instead. My first enthusiasm about the great price tag and hardware soon turned into disappointment about a device that is completely locked, just like Apple products are often said to be.



i would only buy a windows tablet if its made by Samsung or Chinese manufacturers.



Lusche said:

meh I don't really like it (the price) thanks to the weak euro.
if they used the old 1$:1€ exchange rate it would be ok but now $499 is now 599€ ...

and the $599 4gb/128gb is 719€ -> without digitizer which is 50-70€ -> 770-790€.
you can get the surface 3 pro i5 with 4gb/128 for 799€ or 850€ without sale.

even the cheapiest one 599€ ... you can get the i3 with double the memory and same ssd for less than 699€, 650€ when lucky with pen ... so it might be even cheaper to get the pro if you need the pen.

 

tldr:

if you don't mind the fan and 2" more and need the pen get the pro, since its the same price or even cheaper in europe.

i agree this is very typical with US-American products they think their brands have some value, i would only buy from asian companies, and european if there are any



Looks cool. Still rather get an iPad.



LemonSlice said:

With the decently configured Pro version Macbook Pro Retina and Yoga 3 Pro (and the Thinkpad Yoga)) still seem like a better product and value to me. The pen isn't really usable for drawing at only 50 levels of pressure.
The non-Pro seems like a poor all-around performer, neither here nor there.


till they drop the usb from the macbook pro...