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You know, up here in Canada, this shit just doesn't happen. I go to work, and there are all kinds of people. WE got a couple trans women, a crossdresser, some of our bosses and co workers are gay, many are bisexual, we have black, indian, white, asian, hispanic, and caribbean folks working there, and I've never once had anyone bring up any of it as a 'thing'. There's no anti-gay ranting, there's no racism, there's no sexism, there's nothing in the way of religious intolerance.

We all get along despite our many, many different cultures and natures. it's just not a thing up here.

I'm sure religious stuff has happened in canada, but it obviously doesn't get much traction or attention because I never hear of it. This is just such a better country. HEre or northern Europe are the best. I used to include Australia in that list, but some events down there have made me think it's a bit more bigoted than Canada.

Hell, the only racism I see in canada is against Natives, and even that's not exactly a big deal, it's still frowned upon.

as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9rFprD_Qf4



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zumnupy10 said:
Business owners have the right to allow or not whoever they want in the establishments.

I'm not saying it is a right choice, only that government shouldn't intervene in this.


Do you have any fears that such a society would adversely affect you?  For example, do you think you would be denied business or service if people were allowed to do so?



Runa216 said:
You know, up here in Canada, this shit just doesn't happen. I go to work, and there are all kinds of people. WE got a couple trans women, a crossdresser, some of our bosses and co workers are gay, many are bisexual, we have black, indian, white, asian, hispanic, and caribbean folks working there, and I've never once had anyone bring up any of it as a 'thing'. There's no anti-gay ranting, there's no racism, there's no sexism, there's nothing in the way of religious intolerance.

We all get along despite our many, many different cultures and natures. it's just not a thing up here.

I'm sure religious stuff has happened in canada, but it obviously doesn't get much traction or attention because I never hear of it. This is just such a better country. HEre or northern Europe are the best. I used to include Australia in that list, but some events down there have made me think it's a bit more bigoted than Canada.

Hell, the only racism I see in canada is against Natives, and even that's not exactly a big deal, it's still frowned upon.

as an example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9rFprD_Qf4

Thats so interesting. I would love to go to Canada soon.



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17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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21 “You have heard that it was said to the people long ago, ‘You shall not murder,[a] and anyone who murders will be subject to judgment.’ 22 But I tell you that anyone who is angry with a brother or sister[b][c] will be subject to judgment. Again, anyone who says to a brother or sister, ‘Raca,’[d] is answerable to the court. And anyone who says, ‘You fool!’ will be in danger of the fire of hell.

23 “Therefore, if you are offering your gift at the altar and there remember that your brother or sister has something against you, 24 leave your gift there in front of the altar. First go and be reconciled to them; then come and offer your gift.

25 “Settle matters quickly with your adversary who is taking you to court. Do it while you are still together on the way, or your adversary may hand you over to the judge, and the judge may hand you over to the officer, and you may be thrown into prison. 26 Truly I tell you, you will not get out until you have paid the last penny.

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Runa216 said:
You know, up here in Canada

Canada isn't some utopia where anti-LGBT people don't exist. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Significant_acts_of_violence_against_LGBT_people#Canada

  • Jordan Smith, 27, of White Rock, British Columbia, was brutally assaulted on September 27, 2008 by 20-year-old Michael Kandola of Vancouver. Smith was holding hands with another male while walking in Vancouver's Davie Village, an area frequented by GLBTQ individuals, when Kandola started following the pair with four to five of his friends and began shouting anti-gay obscenities towards the gay pair. Kandola confronted the two and punched Smith on the side of his head, knocking him unconscious. Smith required surgery for his injuries. Kandola was charged with assault causing bodily harm, and police sought to invoke Canadian hate-crime legislation against Kandola. A Facebook group with over 4000 members was established petitioning for a minimum life imprisonment sentence for Kandola.[10] On April 30, 2010, the assault was deemed by the B.C. Supreme Court to be a hate crime and Kandola was sentenced to 17 months in jail.[11]
  • Anji Dimitriou and Jane Currie were physically assaulted on November 3, 2008 at an OshawaOntario public school while waiting to pick up their children. Mark Scott, the attacker, punched both women in the face, referring to them as "men", "fucking dyke bitches" and spit in Dimitriou's face. He was in court in January 2009, for two counts of assault causing bodily harm.[12][13] However, the incident was prosecuted as a simple assault and not as a hate crime, as Scott neither advocated genocide nor incited anyone else to join in the attack.[14]
  • On March 13, 2009, Shawn Woodward was charged with aggravated assault after physically attacking 62-year-old Ritchie Dowrey in Vancouver's Fountainhead Pub, allegedly because "He’s a faggot. He deserved it."[15] Dowrey had briefly bumped into Woodward's shoulder, which the heterosexual Woodward characterized during his trial as a predatory sexual advance.[16] Although Dowrey survived the assault, he suffered serious and permanent brain damage, and spent the entire rest of his life living in care facilities until his death in 2015.[17] At Woodward's trial, Justice Jocelyn Palmer rejected the allegation that Dowrey had groped Woodward, ultimately finding that "[Woodward's] intention was to deny, deflect and dissemble. He fabricated this story to justify his outrageous assault."
  • On October 18, 2010, the home of a gay couple in Little PondPrince Edward Island was firebombed. Both men escaped the fire unharmed, but their home was destroyed. In late October and November, a series of rallies and fundraising concerts was held in both Little Pond and Charlottetown to support the couple and to oppose homophobic violence.
  • On April 17, 2012, Halifax gay activist Raymond Taavel was beaten to death outside Menz & Mollyz, a gay bar on the city's Gottingen Street, by Andre Denny, a paranoid schizophrenic on an unsupervised leave from a nearby forensic hospital for those found Not Criminally Responsible for previous unlawful activity, after attempting to break up a fight between Denny and another man.[20] Taavel was a former chair of Halifax Pride, the city's gay pride festival, and a former editor at the LGBT magazine Wayves and the spiritual magazine Shambhala Sun.[20] Over 1,000 people attended a vigil in Taavel's memory later the same evening, which included performances by poet Tanya Davis, actor and writer Stewart Legere and singer-songwriters Rose Cousins and Ria Mae.[21] Although there were unconfirmed allegations that Denny used anti-gay slurs while attacking Taavel,[22] to date media and the police have not asserted that the case clearly constituted a hate crime, generally attributing the attack to Denny's mental illness rather than to a specifically anti-gay bias.[22] Ironically, Taavel had previously survived a more clearly anti-gay physical attack, which he wrote about in Wayves in May 2010.[23]
  • On September. 30, 2012, New Westminister, British Columbia: January Marie Lapuz, 26, was found in her home in the 500 block of Third Avenue around 10 p.m. Sept. 30, 2012 suffering from stab wounds. She died the next morning at Royal Columbian Hospital. Charles Jameson Neel, 22, pleaded guilty to manslaughter in June in her stabbing death and was sentenced to eight years in prison. Lapuz was the first transgender person on the executive of Sher Vancouver, an organization supporting gay, lesbian, bisexual and transgender South Asians. She was named the organization's social coordinator, according to its website in 2012.[24][25]
  • On October 12, 2013 Scott Jones, a gay resident of New GlasgowNova Scotia, is stabbed by a knife-wielding man after leaving the Acro Lounge.[26] He is left paraplegic by the attack.[26] His attacker, Shane Matheson, is found guilty and sentenced to 10 years in prison in June 2014.[27] During his recovery, Jones participates in the creation of Don't Be Afraid, a provincewide campaign to combat homophobia,[28] and is selected as the grand marshal of the 2014Halifax Pride parade.[28]


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Aeolus451 said:
This is an interesting thread, stage. It's nice being neutral on topics like this.

I like to see peoples opinions on situtations like this. There are so many people with various thought processes is. I always think its a good thing when human beings can sit at the table and seriously discuss things like this where it affects human lives.



daredevil.shark said:

I've seen you state many times that you agree with the decision but never have you stated why and even after you said that you were done with replying you came back with other statements simply stating how much you are happy with the decision. I'd like you to elaborate on why you hold your position because right now I'm inclined to believe you're doing it just to get a rise out of people (which would be flamebaiting).



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daredevil.shark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

If Jesus saw America, based upon his words in the bible he'd be flipping tables. He was of course the original table flipper.

Yeah. I can see where its going. In the name of neutrality and many others things you actually love to bash others. Great. Satanism is really powerful now a days.

My brothers, if one of you should wander from the truth and someone should bring him back, remember this: Whoever turns a sinner from the error of his way will save him from death and cover over a multitude of sins.

Be merciful to those who doubt; snatch others from the fire and save them; to others show mercy, mixed with fear— hating even the clothing stained by corrupted flesh.

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.

"Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?’ Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’

Please continue your Bible studies so that one day you can put His will into practice.



This is the 21ts century, why can't we all get along? We're all human.



TruckOSaurus said:
daredevil.shark said:

I've seen you state many times that you agree with the decision but never have you stated why and even after you said that you were done with replying you came back with other statements simply stating how much you are happy with the decision. I'd like you to elaborate on why you hold your position because right now I'm inclined to believe you're doing it just to get a rise out of people (which would be flamebaiting).


I will admit it was some portion of flamebait in my comment which occured by mistake. But I do agree with the actions of the governer. Maybe the way it was expressed wasnt appropiate. Sorry for that. Thanks.