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Aeolus451 said:
Businesses should be able to deny service to anyone they want except if a business is classed as a utility or is essential to someone's life/daily life. Homosexual rights and religious rights are equal in my opinion.

But should they be able to deny service to groups of people for just being who they are? Get most the community to deny them services until the group moves away? 

 



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OttoniBastos said:
in what century are we? what next? inquisition?!





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thismeintiel said:
It's interesting to see those lashing out against "bigotry" be so bigoted towards religion. We don't even have real examples of people turning gays away, unless you want to count the ridiculous case of a woman getting mad because a certain baker wouldn't make her a wedding cake (even though there are probably dozens of bakeries in that area who would, the baker offered to find another one who would, AND the baker had made things for them before), yet it's so easy to label others as bigots and haters and they deserved to be hated.

Yet another example of the "open-minded" actually being closed minded, as their opinion is the only correct one and the other side needs to MADE to agree with them. No debate. Just name calling. Also another example of people focusing on Christians like are the scum of the earth, but ignoring the true examples of hatred towards gays. I mean sure, let's focus on a gay woman being politely turned away when she wanted a wedding cake, while we ignore the fact that countless gays are being thrown off buildings in some Arab countries. Hell, they're slaughtering the Christians, too. But those damn Christians, am I right?

The problem is, where does it stop? First, it won't be enough to reject those who don't fit people's religious views, soon it'll be people of differnet races and creeds not being allowed in certain sectors altogether. The whole idea behind this law is pushback. Taking things as far as they go trying to create a grey area with civil rights. One day, it's open rejection, later, it will be the scenarios in other countries you speak of. It's not like America is immune to violence towards other races and beliefs, it was built on it. We're being doomed to repeat history with laws like this, and it's completely counterproductive toward growth when you can hide behind faith, which you can mold to fit your personal codas at any time, as a shield for your bigotry.

That's the issue with the some of the Arab countries you mention, non-secularism. And htat's exactly what these people want, a callback for the days when you can shame and grief people for being what they are. No one can change the way you feel, but a line is crossed when you use the government to enforce your hate. Ironically, by the same government that protects your religious freedom.



why being surprised at what that state did!
look at how people are commenting in here!
Anyway i had no intention to visit that part of Usa ever! what a sad place to be.
one suggestion why not create a wall all around it and be separated from the whole world?



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Wonktonodi said:
Aeolus451 said:
Businesses should be able to deny service to anyone they want except if a business is classed as a utility or is essential to someone's life/daily life. Homosexual rights and religious rights are equal in my opinion.

But should they be able to deny service to groups of people for just being who they are? Get most the community to deny them services until the group moves away? 

 


Yes to your first question. If I was in a group of people that wasn't allowed into a business, I would be fine with it. I don't believe in supporting businesses with my wallet that I don't like for whatever reasons. If a business owner just didn't like me and wouldn't let me into their, I would be fine with it.  I would not stay in a community I was not welcome in. 



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Aeolus451 said:
Wonktonodi said:
Aeolus451 said:
Businesses should be able to deny service to anyone they want except if a business is classed as a utility or is essential to someone's life/daily life. Homosexual rights and religious rights are equal in my opinion.

But should they be able to deny service to groups of people for just being who they are? Get most the community to deny them services until the group moves away? 

 


Yes to your first question. If I was in a group of people that wasn't allowed into a business, I would be fine with it. I don't believe in supporting businesses with my wallet that I don't like for whatever reasons. If a business owner just didn't like me and wouldn't let me into their, I would be fine with it.  I would not stay in a community I was not welcome in. 


You're way of thinking depresses me. When few puerile within a community can make others within that community leave. It just empowers them to do worse. 

Should gay people leave Indiana, or should they fight? 

Should blacks have fought for desegregation or just left because why support businesses that don't want them? 

It's one thing to think if such a thing happened you'd be ok with it. Thinking society wouldn't allow certain lines to be crossed. When laws like this pass in the name of freedom I fear what lines would be made next.



Wonktonodi said:
Aeolus451 said:


Yes to your first question. If I was in a group of people that wasn't allowed into a business, I would be fine with it. I don't believe in supporting businesses with my wallet that I don't like for whatever reasons. If a business owner just didn't like me and wouldn't let me into their, I would be fine with it.  I would not stay in a community I was not welcome in. 


You're way of thinking depresses me. When few puerile within a community can make others within that community leave. It just empowers them to do worse. 

Should gay people leave Indiana, or should they fight? 

Should blacks have fought for desegregation or just left because why support businesses that don't want them? 

It's one thing to think if such a thing happened you'd be ok with it. Thinking society wouldn't allow certain lines to be crossed. When laws like this pass in the name of freedom I fear what lines would be made next.

Ah, I like to enjoy my surroundings and be around like minded people. I prefer a positive environment in which to live in. So I'm completely fine with moving to such a place. If there's a few people within a comunity that don't like me then I'll just ignore 'em but if the majority don't want me there, I'll move. I'm not gonna waste my time on trying to change people's minds or try to force them to. It takes time for people's way of thinking to change.

Would you live in the parts of Mexico that are controlled by cartels or live in North Korea as a foreigner? I wouldn't. There's plenty of places in the states that i would not live there because I'm not wanted there or the place has too much baggage/danger to me.

What does race have to do with this?

Should in my opinion, religous people be able to deny homosexuals services from their business because of their religion? Yes. Why? Both sides have equal rights so neither side should be able to force the other to do something against their will for the most part. A business is privately owned. It's not a public building or a government building. 



S.T.A.G.E. said:
OfficerRaichu15 said:
Discrimination of others at its finest
Im pretty sure God doesn't like us treating others as lower beings


Thats the very thing they think god wants. Problem is god also told them to leave the judgement to him.

The other problem is that God also told his followers to be "shepards for others" which is why a lot of them think they can go around telling people what to do.

Except people don't realize that being a good leader isn't about discrimination, it's about uniting the group as a whole.



thismeintiel said:
It's interesting to see those lashing out against "bigotry" be so bigoted towards religion. We don't even have real examples of people turning gays away, unless you want to count the ridiculous case of a woman getting mad because a certain baker wouldn't make her a wedding cake (even though there are probably dozens of bakeries in that area who would, the baker offered to find another one who would, AND the baker had made things for them before), yet it's so easy to label others as bigots and haters and they deserved to be hated.

Yet another example of the "open-minded" actually being closed minded, as their opinion is the only correct one and the other side needs to MADE to agree with them. No debate. Just name calling. Also another example of people focusing on Christians like are the scum of the earth, but ignoring the true examples of hatred towards gays. I mean sure, let's focus on a gay woman being politely turned away when she wanted a wedding cake, while we ignore the fact that countless gays are being thrown off buildings in some Arab countries. Hell, they're slaughtering the Christians, too. But those damn Christians, am I right?


People need to stop treating Religion as if it is the same thing as sexual orientation/race/disability/etc. Religion is a belief system and me saying your belief system is stupid does not make me a bigot. If I said I dislike nazis noone would call me a bigot. 

Noone is ignoring the Muslims, their belief system is also stupid and dangerous. As I've mentioned before bills like this are particularly scary because they open the door for the even more dangerous Islamic religious beliefs to find their way into US politics. You may think it is impossible but what about predominantly Muslim areas where they do have the voting power to make such a thing happen?



daredevil.shark said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:


So....you're for a governor giving all businesses in the state a chance to discriminate against homosexuals?


Yes.


then let me just say that i hope at some point in your life you get a chance to feel the pain of being discriminated against for no good reason.  perhaps if will give you a chance to grow as a person and find tolerance for others whom do are not 100% aligned with your life choices but are still good people.