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MohammadBadir said:
"Proxy" war?
Dis ain't gonna b gud.

Where do you live, buddy?



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Shia is not Muslim, and always back stab every Muslim country, in the, Abbasid Khilafah they betrayed the Khilafah and worked with Mongol to destroy the Abbasid. There not even helping Palestinian from Israel, they just pretend antagonizing US and western Europe but actually they work together.



SlayerRondo said:
ReimTime said:
I don't pretend to know much about Yemen, but I am interested in discussions such as this and will do a bit of research. You said that the Shiites are rebelling because a Sunni took over as President? And the USA is fighting ISIL in Yemen as well? AND there is a a faction of separatists in the South? AND the Sunni Empire of Saudi Arabia is helping Hadi attack the Shiite rebels as well? Sounds like a clusterfuck. But the again, almost all Middle-Eastern countries are clusterfucks; thanks to a century of political botches by Western countries.
I will do some research and return to the thread. It sounds like another Syria to me.

While Western Countries did play a part in the political mess in the middle east they were under the rule of the Ottoman empire for centuries before that which was a huge part of the political problems there today, also religious differences also play a part in th conflicts as they have for centuries before the west and Ottoman empire.

yep good point



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HollyGamer said:
Shia is not Muslim, and always back stab every Muslim country, in the, Abbasid Khilafah they betrayed the Khilafah and worked with Mongol to destroy the Abbasid. There not even helping Palestinian from Israel, they just pretend antagonizing US and western Europe but actually they work together.

so iran is working with the west?  last time i checked it was saudi arabia that worked togehter with israel and the us, without any backroom deals or so, absolutly open...



HollyGamer said:
Shia is not Muslim, and always back stab every Muslim country, in the, Abbasid Khilafah they betrayed the Khilafah and worked with Mongol to destroy the Abbasid. There not even helping Palestinian from Israel, they just pretend antagonizing US and western Europe but actually they work together.

Because the Sunnis are helping "Palestinian"? What are you even saying. There is no such thing as Islam. Islams, plural. 



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ReimTime said:
I don't pretend to know much about Yemen, but I am interested in discussions such as this and will do a bit of research. You said that the Shiites are rebelling because a Sunni took over as President? And the USA is fighting ISIL in Yemen as well? AND there is a a faction of separatists in the South? AND the Sunni Empire of Saudi Arabia is helping Hadi attack the Shiite rebels as well? Sounds like a clusterfuck. But the again, almost all Middle-Eastern countries are clusterfucks; thanks to a century of political botches by Western countries.
I will do some research and return to the thread. It sounds like another Syria to me.

I can't say exactly why Houthis are rebelling, I'm not informed good enough, nor do I have a good grasp of the religious differencies between multiple involved groups. But from the standpoint of pure logic if political balance (and given the divided nature of Yemen this is cruicial) is ruined, a lot of thing could come out of this, including this. A quote from insider:

What we’re seeing in northern Yemen today, in terms of fighting between the Houthis on one side, and various armed groups on the other, definitely does have an element of the sectarianism that can be seen across the wider region. However, it’s a lot more confusing. For one, it’s wrong to simply say that Houthis = Zaydis, and, say, al-Ahmar = Shafi’is. Or even worse, Houthis = Shias, and al-Ahmar = Sunnis. For one, the al-Ahmars are traditionally Zaydi, just like the Houthis. I can’t vouch for the religious identification of each individual Ahmar, but I’d say that many of their tribal fighters will still, at least loosely, identify as Zaydi. Ali Abdullah Saleh, who fought 6 wars against the Houthis, was also Zaydi. So is this Zaydi on Zaydi fighting? A Zaydi civil war?

http://alshamahi.com/2014/02/19/yemen-is-more-nuanced-than-sunni-shia/

As far as I'm aware Saudis did play an important role in settelment of the conflict, forcing Saleh to go. From what I get Yemeni political opposition, al-Islah, is their agent. At the same time al-Ahmars are as much of Zaydis as the Houthis and Saleh, and the position of tribal leaders like al-Ahmar was smth that turned the scales not in favour of Saleh during the events of 2011. All in all, I don't think confilct could be solely described as religious -- a lot of facts contradict that -- situation is very similar to as much divided and tribal Lybia.

 

As for the US. They do a lot of actions, have a lot of positions that contradict to each other at first glance. Support certain party in one country and fight it in another. Methinks unlike Saudis and Iran who granted might have different approaches, but both seek stability in the region, while the US is trying to establish chaos for the sake of chaos. So support ISIL, support Iraq, support Peshmerga, support Houthis (even such reports have been presented, not sure how legitimate), and now support Saudis and Hadi, fight Houthis -- US is officially involved.



HollyGamer said:
Shia is not Muslim, and always back stab every Muslim country, in the, Abbasid Khilafah they betrayed the Khilafah and worked with Mongol to destroy the Abbasid. There not even helping Palestinian from Israel, they just pretend antagonizing US and western Europe but actually they work together.

I did have a feeling that there's some sort of "non-symmetrical racism" is going on. It seems there's more Shiites who consider Sunnis Muslims, than Sunnis who consider Shiites Muslims. I wonder if that repeats for Christians (Orthodoxes, Catholoics, Protestants).

Some random research. Notice that Azerbaijanis, who're predominantly Shiites, almost equally consider both denominations as Muslims. While, say, Egyptians, predominantly Sunnis, are divided. Is that research legitimate?



ReimTime said:
I don't pretend to know much about Yemen, but I am interested in discussions such as this and will do a bit of research. You said that the Shiites are rebelling because a Sunni took over as President? And the USA is fighting ISIL in Yemen as well? AND there is a a faction of separatists in the South? AND the Sunni Empire of Saudi Arabia is helping Hadi attack the Shiite rebels as well? Sounds like a clusterfuck. But the again, almost all Middle-Eastern countries are clusterfucks; thanks to a century of political botches by Western countries.
I will do some research and return to the thread. It sounds like another Syria to me.


No the USA is fighting Shia muslims in Yemen and financing Sunni groups of which ISIS is a Sunni group.



HollyGamer said:
MohammadBadir said:
"Proxy" war?
Dis ain't gonna b gud.

Where do you live, buddy?

Israel, so I'm pretty safe. Lol.



It's going to be a disaster for Saudi Arabia, whose military is the definition of a bunch of children with shiny expensive toys that they have no idea how to use.

Air control is one thing, but if they go into the ground (and they will, because the Houthis are undeterred by Saudi air superiority), it's going to be a bloodbath.

Where is Hadi right now? Edit: Ah, in Saudi Arabia.

I have to wonder when the Saudi people are going to get sick of their country being the place where other countries' dictators go to get coddled.



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