Now you know, and it does it while you're away, or asleep.

That still doesn't mean it's an auto win vs a PC..., just means both can do the same thing.

Yeah.. But you can't trade them in for credit after you're done with it, or worry about a friend not having Steam to share with.

Why would I want to trade in games I;ve bought, especially digital, what if I want to play them again in the future without having to buy a used copy?, with Steam share we can both share each other's games and if we like a certain game we can buy it and have it within our library, I see no downside to this.

I have not once encountered any of those claims of stutter. I'm glad you've brought up the use of third party tools (Mods), because Console owners just don't have to worry about third party software because they know their games will work when they pop it into the machine.

I don't need to see claims, I look at performance reports, visual evidence that doesn't need someone else to tell me what is and what isn't wrong.

Sorry but you're flat out wrong, there are plenty of third party games that have been buggy and eneded updates, you just downplayed mods by saying it's better you don't have to use them, glad to know I don't need to keep the circle going with this.

So what makes M+K superior? I'll tell you, FPS. That is pretty much it, and PS4 supports M+K too.

RTS,FPS, MMO's, RPG's (like witcher/Skyrim/DA etc)

I don't recall PS4 fully supporting M+K for all their games by default with being able to map all the keys, sounds like BS because I haven't seen any info or sources let alone fans touting that.

I'm playing devil's advocate here. If you're judging me like that, then you should know that I like PS, but I don't go around preaching about how superior a machine is in people faces. I think it is safe to say everyone knows PC can be more beefy than consoles, but a gamer that enjoys playing on consoles prefers the simplicity and comfort that it brings.

Not really, you're already on the side you chose, your avatar tells me already, your past post topics have told me you aren't playing Devil's advocate, you've even taken the piss out of PC gamers and above you've flat out lied in order to add to some 1up that apparently smashers PC gaming.

"then you should know that I like PS, but I don't go around preaching about how superior a machine is in people faces"

Already have, don't get why you inject yourself into PC topics or talks if you're steering away from it by advocating for consoles, you can paint me as a PC only but that's far from the truth, the difference is I can mingle between both worlds, you've chosen to stay within one world while judging the other very unfairly and trying to lie to make it so you don't have to step outside the bubble, there's already others in here saying the same, that PC gaming isn't hard to get into and has advanbtages of it's own, but again you're just playing "devil's advocate".

Ok so if you're not going around preaching how superior PS4 is then I expect to watch your future posts to not mention PS4 vs anything else or it counts as "supriority" talk, just in case you want to skip between the lines.

I think it is safe to say everyone knows PC can be more beefy than consoles, but a gamer that enjoys playing on consoles prefers the simplicity and comfort that it brings.

It would be safe to say but clearly it isn't, PC myths are still being brought up right in this very thread, it;s an ultimate cop out to say "yeah well we all know PC's are powerfull blah blah" and turn around within the same thread or threads later and bring up some console vs PC about how PC's are weak or such, like I said folks still feed into the myths that have been debunked ages ago.

Problem is a gamer that enjoys playing on consoles shouldn't talk or say anything about PC gaming if they rpefer consoles, that's how these wars begin when they restrict themselves to a single world and then have the gall to mouth off the other (again multiplatform gamers on PC+console are excempt because they don't restrict themselves) world without stepping outside their own.

IF they rpefer consoles so much they should'nt be talking about PC's in this thread which is what happened with the OP and those that game only on PS4 are well and truly sinking their teeth into the biggest circle jerk I've seen for a while.

I look at youtube comment sections for PS4 and XB1 and see that style of circle jerk, hell even people with fake celeb alts to spout myths and crap to each other.

It was never about winning.

To you it apparently was when you're claiming consoles are the same as PC's and can do all they can, the fact you're debating with me proves you want to continue in an effort to win the debate.

Now you're pulling at straws. I can think of a downside like running out of memory space, and forcing yourself to delete to make more space etc.

You claim I'm pulling straws when you said you dind't need to worry about "mods" because 3rd parties games were so "prefect" on consoles, please... 

Run out of memory space?, what are you on about, most people on PC's, especially gaming PC's tend to have more GB HDD's than those with consoles 500gb drives, I have 3tb in total going from my internal and my 1TB external and I haven't even filled up both to max, my internal is only 25% used so far, that's another myth you're throwing up that's apparently to deafeat Steam/PC gaming, you're claiming somehow consoles never run out of spcae by grasping at this straw yourself because you didn't even mention it.

You like talking about Steam sales, so I answer back with Game trades and used discounts.

Still doesn't cancel out PC gaming...

So you have nothing to prove.

Oh and you do?, dunno why you would when you;re busy playing one sided "devil's advocate" that's spouting PC myths.

No, you're wrong. The buggy ports is not the console fault. It is the developers. There are plenty of games that runs very well on console, so you're just out right lying to me right now.

You do realise consoles use PC type hardware right?, you're the one who;s lying atm with two straws grasped.

PS4/PS3 has MMO's too. FFXIV, Dust 514, Rock Band 3, Counter-Strike: Global Offensive, Unreal Tournament 3 uses K+M. I'm sure there is more, but it is up to the developers to support that feature.  There you go, you learned something new again.

You've had 5 in the past 5 years, not including PS3 ports to PS4 since some of those are the same game.

last I checked games like CS,UT3 are shut down, those games are dead and sure they might have used M+K, the majority wasn't playing on consoles with that setup along with games like those that originally stemmed from PC first, hell those MMO's came from PC first even so it's not like you own exclusive games that make use of the M+K as something you;d use more than a gamepad.

Who the hell uses a mouse+K for a music simulator when it;s known to the majority that you play with the actual instruments?, that's a silly thing to grasp for when you know the entire point wwas the musical instrument input devices, not a bloody M+K.

Look, I've already told you, I like PS, meaning I prefer to game on it. That does not mean I don't game on PC as well. Your above comments about me is pure assumptions. You're wrong to assume things like that, and you should feel bad about it. I would say bad words if I could, but I'm going to leave it as that. You're what they call the pot calling the kettle black.

lol you call me wrong to assume things on you, as in I cannot judge you at all because it's clear you live in one world and refuse to step into the other ones and claim you can throw around judgement, I'm just amused by this, I have nothing to feel bad about when I didn't really care about you as a person in general, all I care about is people spreading myths of gaming while staying in their bubble and thinking no one can step inside and judge, you telling me I should feel bad about it does zilch because I don't see why I should, you never will and you'll never care about anything other than PS, just like you'll be quick to throw ye old "well you only care about PC!!!", especially when I've already told you where I stand, I choose not to remain in one space.

No I think you're what they find the the pot calling the kettle black but whatever. 

I'm sorry but I don't care if you're trying to play devils advocate, you're just spreading PC myths to make console gaming appear superior, PC and console gaming are not 100% equal down to the bone and you know this, again I don't care about the advocate ebcause you're doing this on purpose with little reason to win at something you claim you're trying not to win.

The way to win is by not playing.