Wii u obviously, It'll be cheaper and already have a library 

3D World and Bayo 2 look nice but they're not head and shoulders beyond the top tier PS3/360 games. 

They basically look like what you'd expect ... games that are running on a system that might have about 40% more GFLOPS than a 360 with double the RAM. In fact they're pretty much exactly the performance/look I'd expect if you told be "well what do you think a system that was 100 GFLOPS more powerful than a 360 with double the RAM would look like?". 

Bayonetta 2/3D World is pretty much what I'd expect. 

DKC is nothing special, nice art style but it looks like a Wii game on steroids, not sure why they couldn't get that to run at 1080P. 

$100 that could've been put into the chipset is no small thing. The PS4 chip itself is maybe $100, that money invested into the chipset instead of the silly controller that they themselves haven't used in any compelling way would have easily doubled, maybe even tripled the system's horsepower easy. 

Just forget that.

Why should I? You're acting like Nintendo deserves a trophy for having a system that has maybe 4 games total that look better than a good looking 360 game. 

The Wii U actually is fairly lame hardware wise ... it's 7 (SEVEN!!) years newer than an XBox 360, this shouldn't even be a debate it should *murder* the XBox 360. The bar should be much higher we're just soft on Nintendo because it's "oh, lol Nintendo gonna Nintendo". 

They get a pass because they're the weird/quirky one, but if Sony had released this same system people would be crying bloody murder at how much of a relative non-upgrade it is from the existing gen. They would get eaten alive for releasing such a console. 

3D World, Bayo 2 ... nah. Should've been a 1TFLOP hardware system at minimum. Game Pad should've been an optional accessorie like the Wii Fit balance board. 

No one gives a crap about remote play, not even Japan is buying the thing for that feature. 

They would've been better off just taking a off the shelf cheapo GPU like a 6670, adding some eDRAM to it. Would've had far better performance for about the same price (would've had to sacrifice on size/electrical consumption but who cares). 

"Why should I? You're acting like Nintendo deserves a trophy for having a system that has maybe 4 games total that look better than a good looking 360 game. "

you should forget because it's not true.

"The Wii U actually is fairly lame hardware wise ... it's 7 (SEVEN!!) years newer than an XBox 360, this shouldn't even be a debate it should *murder* the XBox 360. "

It was never a debate, it murders the x360.

"They get a pass because they're the weird/quirky one, but if Sony had released this same system people would be crying bloody murder at how much of a relative non-upgrade it is from the existing gen. They would get eaten alive for releasing such a console."

Ps4 had by far the smallest jump in power for ps systems and people aren't complaining.

I agree with everything you say except Ninty getting a pass. On the contrary they are not which is why they are getting the sales they are getting, console wise. Ninty fans are giving them a pass but there is always going to be a group that is not going to care and put blinders on.

i couldnt help but noticed you didnt use actual points to try and debunk him.

On a side note, back to multiplats how about we use those? it doesnt matter if they are cross gen. AC4 runs the worse on Wii U from what ive read, if it destroys the 360 why is that an issue? Why dont multiplat games LOOK and RUN way better than their PS360 counterparts.

Yet again. If the exclusives are crushing the cross gen multiplats, it means the cross gen multiplats aren't even tapping into the system's potential. that's only obvious when the game was made for previous gen hardware, porting won't magically increase graphics, especially lazy ports.

Wii U should have been powerful enough to eclipse old gen games just by pure grunt, the fact that there is even a debate is very sad. . Those who have knowledge about these types of chips conclude that Wii U's simply isn't big enough to have that many shaders, and in fact, 352 gflops is the generous prediction....176 (or 192 if you add in fixed function via Wii) gflops has been the most recent theory.

Its not worth arguing over HW that is so severely lacking either way...

thats true, problem exclusives ARENT destroying cross gen multiplats. GTA5 for the PS4 and xbone looks better than anything released on Wii U thus far. But you keep dodging my point exclusives are going to look better. BUT you are saying Wii U is leaps abouve PS360, if they are upporting the games then they should at least look noticably different. They dont. PS4 and ONE versions of games like AC4 look noticable better than PS360 versions why is it not the same for WIi U? answer the question.