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Ohh the Dreamcast , what a machine, for me the most exciting games console i have owned. so many games of high quality which came out every month. Japan Numbers are seeming low ,but then it released a year before the rest of the world in Japan with only a few games, Sega Rally 2 , Virtua Fighter 3TB ,Godzilla Generations and Seventh Cross i believe. Not much of a launch bonanza. Unlike the USA and Europe launches. They should have waited a year and done a global launch ,having the games they had at European launch for a Japanese launch would have bagged them many more sales ..

Instead of leaving Dreamcast on store shelves in Japan. It truly was a great piece of kit. new high end graphics, Online play, the Internet , i never had a PC at this time ,Dreamcast opened up the internet for me. I did my first online ordering on my Dreamcast .

Bleemcast - what a brilliant piece of software, shame the court battle cost the Bleemcast guys so much. How crazy is it . Tekken 3 ,Grand Turismo 2 and Metal Gear Solid run better on Dreamcast and look better then on Sony's PS1 ,PS2 and PS3.

The only reason i bought my PS2 was to play Virtua Fighter 4 ,which was programmed for Dreamcast but never released, probably due to the DC version being much better then the PS2.

Dreamcast was a beast and till this day it remains so. Play Sturmwind and tell me that it doesn't look as good as Resogun or any other shooter of this style on our current systems.

Dreamcast -- The day it was discontinued - True Gaming died a little



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Ruler said:

not true Capcom ported allmost every 2D game on Sega saturn even exclusives like final fight revenge. 

The Sega Saturn had complicated Architecture at the time not only had it 2 CPUs but it also only allowed its games to run on Quader Poligons over Triangle Poligons used on PC and Playstation. It was too expensive remodelling every Character and object for the Saturn thats why 3D Games droped quickly on this console.

Capcom planed to do a Resident evil 2 but canceled it after dreamcast was on its way anyways 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVYyHqXdxHI 

It very much is true.

Saturn's complicated architecture stopped it from getting plenty of games, there's nothing to debate there, but Sony did got out of its way to keep certain franchises exclusive to their systems.

As for RE2, yep, my bad, the deal was for a numbered entry, not to have the series as an exclusive.



Yeah Sony and there nasty ways.  They did quite a bit to hinder Saturn / Dreamcast games being released and Saturn / Dreamcast  consoles being sold.  I use to have a dedicated game shop i frequented every day ( i use to spend my lunch breaks there playing the new games) but i did buy a lot of them.  I was there when a Sony representative was in shop , They liturally told the owner (who was friend of mine)  where to put their console ,how the display should be and that their rivals console ( the Saturn at the time)  should be placed at of view of the window from the street . Otherwise it would hinder supplies of Sony's console to his shop if their units where not in prime position.

My friend very unpoiltly told them where to go. And said take it all , go on take back the stock ,give my money back , he had a lot of gear.. I put my displays how i want.

Yeah Sony the enemy of gaming for sure..  Always wanted Microsoft to crush them ever since.. Microsoft have better atitudes in some circumstances. I understand from other game shops i new at the time , that at around this time this was not a one of representative trying to get his bonus ,it was a technique they told their people to do..

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BruB said:
Ohh the Dreamcast , what a machine, for me the most exciting games console i have owned. so many games of high quality which came out every month. Japan Numbers are seeming low ,but then it released a year before the rest of the world in Japan with only a few games, Sega Rally 2 , Virtua Fighter 3TB ,Godzilla Generations and Seventh Cross i believe. Not much of a launch bonanza. Unlike the USA and Europe launches. They should have waited a year and done a global launch ,having the games they had at European launch for a Japanese launch would have bagged them many more sales ..

Instead of leaving Dreamcast on store shelves in Japan. It truly was a great piece of kit. new high end graphics, Online play, the Internet , i never had a PC at this time ,Dreamcast opened up the internet for me. I did my first online ordering on my Dreamcast .

Bleemcast - what a brilliant piece of software, shame the court battle cost the Bleemcast guys so much. How crazy is it . Tekken 3 ,Grand Turismo 2 and Metal Gear Solid run better on Dreamcast and look better then on Sony's PS1 ,PS2 and PS3.

The only reason i bought my PS2 was to play Virtua Fighter 4 ,which was programmed for Dreamcast but never released, probably due to the DC version being much better then the PS2.

Dreamcast was a beast and till this day it remains so. Play Sturmwind and tell me that it doesn't look as good as Resogun or any other shooter of this style on our current systems.

Dreamcast -- The day it was discontinued - True Gaming died a little

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The Dreamcast is simultaneously the most underrated and overrated console of all time. It was a shame it wasn't supported as well as it should have been, and certainly didn't deserve to die the quick death that it did. But nowadays, people put on their nostalgia goggles and turn the settings up to 11 when waxing poetic about how amazing the Dreamcast supposedly was and how it was the be all, end all of "true" gaming consoles.

Hate to ruin the nostalgia trip, but the Dreamcast was essentially what the N64 would have been if it were disc-based with more VRAM. And other than a handful of cult classics and the stellar line of SEGA Sports titles, the Dreamcast's overall software library is pretty mediocre compared to the other consoles of its time. It gets mega brownie points for being the first major console to bring online gaming to the living room here in the States, but the PS2 and especially the Xbox with XBL did it so much better that everyone forgot about SEGA Net pretty much immediately after the DC was dead.



On 2/24/13, MB1025 said:
You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

veritaz said:
BruB said:
Ohh the Dreamcast , what a machine, for me the most exciting games console i have owned. so many games of high quality which came out every month. Japan Numbers are seeming low ,but then it released a year before the rest of the world in Japan with only a few games, Sega Rally 2 , Virtua Fighter 3TB ,Godzilla Generations and Seventh Cross i believe. Not much of a launch bonanza. Unlike the USA and Europe launches. They should have waited a year and done a global launch ,having the games they had at European launch for a Japanese launch would have bagged them many more sales ..

Instead of leaving Dreamcast on store shelves in Japan. It truly was a great piece of kit. new high end graphics, Online play, the Internet , i never had a PC at this time ,Dreamcast opened up the internet for me. I did my first online ordering on my Dreamcast .

Bleemcast - what a brilliant piece of software, shame the court battle cost the Bleemcast guys so much. How crazy is it . Tekken 3 ,Grand Turismo 2 and Metal Gear Solid run better on Dreamcast and look better then on Sony's PS1 ,PS2 and PS3.

The only reason i bought my PS2 was to play Virtua Fighter 4 ,which was programmed for Dreamcast but never released, probably due to the DC version being much better then the PS2.

Dreamcast was a beast and till this day it remains so. Play Sturmwind and tell me that it doesn't look as good as Resogun or any other shooter of this style on our current systems.

Dreamcast -- The day it was discontinued - True Gaming died a little

What does this even mean?


The company that made a commercial PS1 emulator for PC ported it to Dreamcast.

It ran games in 640x480 and eliminated a lot of the clipping meaning that the games ran better than on the PS1. However in the end rather than being a multi game disc like the PC version, it eventually released as a boot disc for a specific game. Tekken 3, Gran Turismo 2 and Metal Gear Solid were the games they supported in the end. However Sony's legal battles pretty much bankrupted them.



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johnsobas said:

Dreamcast had better games than the PS2 until probably late 2003 and even that is arguable.  The dreamcast did fine against the PS1, it was the PS2 that killed it and that was despite the great games on DC not because of them.  DVD had a lot to do with it too.

GamechaserBE said:

PS1 yeah but PS2 had like only 50 games when DC got discontinued?

We are now so used to waiting months for the next exclusive on a console while the DC had every month a few exclusives and had some big hits coming up like Fable that did not made it.

I'm not talking about at the time PS2 released, I'm talking about looking back at the console.  It gets revered as being much better than it actually was.  Don't get me wrong - I think it had a great library and deserved to do better than it did, but it's nowhere near the praise it gets for its stellar library.

This post sums it up better than I did:

NightDragon83 said:
The Dreamcast is simultaneously the most underrated and overrated console of all time. It was a shame it wasn't supported as well as it should have been, and certainly didn't deserve to die the quick death that it did. But nowadays, people put on their nostalgia goggles and turn the settings up to 11 when waxing poetic about how amazing the Dreamcast supposedly was and how it was the be all, end all of "true" gaming consoles.

Hate to ruin the nostalgia trip, but the Dreamcast was essentially what the N64 would have been if it were disc-based with more VRAM. And other than a handful of cult classics and the stellar line of SEGA Sports titles, the Dreamcast's overall software library is pretty mediocre compared to the other consoles of its time. It gets mega brownie points for being the first major console to bring online gaming to the living room here in the States, but the PS2 and especially the Xbox with XBL did it so much better that everyone forgot about SEGA Net pretty much immediately after the DC was dead.


So much missing from those lists.



johnsobas said:
KyleeStrutt said:

That's what Famitsu says, other sources say the Dreamcast was at 1m in Japan at the time it was at 2m in the US, so I'm not sure.

Supposedly most Sega/Saturn fans were pissed off at Sega for killing the Saturn so quickly, so they didn't supported the Dreamcast, that's what I've read about, not sure if its true.

doesn't make sense.  I always read over 2 million in Japan for several years, wikipedia says so and those software sales make no sense for a system with 650k.  I've seen the 10.6 million WW sales many times as well and that would need more than 650k from Japan.  


2 million always sounded about right to me. The DC overall was pretty neglected in Japan due to the Saturn already having a healthy market there, but 650k would be be worse than what the original Xbox did in Japan. No chance of that IMO, lol.

That being said....

johnsobas said:


Dreamcast had better games than the PS2 until probably late 2003 and even that is arguable.  The dreamcast did fine against the PS1, it was the PS2 that killed it and that was despite the great games on DC not because of them.  DVD had a lot to do with it too.



Did you forget 2001 was a year or something? I'm all for retrospective sob stories, but that statement is sheer lunacy. The PS2 in 2001 is probably the single most impressive year a video game platform has had. Ever.

And as far as the Dreamcast up against the PS1, if you need Shenmue to sell twice as many copies as your total install base to recoup revenue, chances are you're not doing "fine".