I already said it dude. The 'power' of the system is a feature of it. Come now... That was pushed harder than any other aspect of any system this gen. 

Again, I didn't say that people like being lied to, that's why I gave an alternative as to what should have happenen. Yes, it does kill consumer trust, likely a big part of their issue with the X1, however people are also quick to forget. Especially gamers it seems, especially when there are sales lol. 

I don't understand what you are even arguing with? what the hell dude. Nearly everything I said was hypothetical. 

AGAIN. I didn't say it didn't affect them, not in the slightest. It was entirely hypothetical. I would say it likely isn't affecting them as badly now, but that's because some time has passed and many people are concerned with different things. 

I'm sorry dude, you can not say with any sort of certainty that if MS had been able to make the Kinect the 'must have' piece of tech by showing something new and something the general public hasn't seen before, or shown it in a way that seemed new and amazing they wouldn't have been able to be more successful? Again, you are talking as to what HAS happened and I'm not. I'm talking about what COULD have happened, hypotheticals... 

Actually, credit cards are designed and extremely successful by using the premise of people spending money they don't have. That's a fact. If every person that owned a credit card paid their full debt every month so that the cards would not get any interest they would not exist. Same thing with loans of any kind. This is all money people don't have that they spend. You don't need to have money to spend it as odd as that sounds. 

You are right, MS didn't give them a reason to, again... hypotheticals. I gave a hypothetical to what they could have done with the Kinect that might have made THE difference. This is entirely conjecture so it's impossible to say, but that is what this whole conversation has been about. 

You might be very right about your last point. They might have been really trying to deceive people for the short term. Honestly, with all the extra DRM stuff they have/had in place, that really might have been the intent, but if that were true we likely will never know. Despite what so many seem to think on this, systems releasing at different times doesn't seem to hinder them too much. The biggest factor seems to be marketing to go along with the system, but there does need to be follow through as well. Even great line ups don't seem to matter as much as they used to, just the marketing and hyping up the consumer for the product. MS likely didn't have anything to show for the Kinect or else we would have seen it/them already, or it/they got canned when they removed it from the bundles. So yeah, if they didn't have anything to show, they weren't ready or whatever, they likely would have been better to wait to release it for a year, but then they would also need to release with a bang. Something super attention catching. 

We all know what has happened historically with the systems and how the series of events have unfolded. Everything beyond that are hypotheticals. 

Just a friendly reminder that motion gaming didn't die. A controller with motion options will always be better than regular controllers and certain genres (like every shooter ever) are infinitely better with it.

First off, motion controls are far from dead. They are used in quite a few games from all the systems in one way or another. Gyro is form of motion control. There is also the massive usage on mobile devices with motion controls or touch interface using swiping and such, also motion controls. 

The Kinect 2 could have been a very neat experience beyond what it was actually used for. It's quite sad really. Instead of making newer versions of games like police 911 or some on rails shooters, or even more usage of squad based tactical games, they just went for a couple fitness games and "sport" type games. There could have been more interesting usage if they incorporated some controller usage and even a couple other peripherals for it like a sort of light gun type thing and the ability for proper movement with something like a nunchuck for the Wii-mote or move. Certainly a missed opportunity. Sony was planning on releasing the PS4 with the camera and similar usage to the X1, I'm sad that they didn't, Sony would have been more likely to utilize it than MS has due to generally better first and second party support. 

I don't see what is weird about the gamepad. I do wonder if you have used it beyond a demo at a booth. Those are quite terrible to show what it is capable of. Perhaps if they had a zombi U set up or something like that, that shows it's abilities, but where it really shines is in groups of people playing together. There are lots of possibilities for it to be utilized more as well. Just the basic usage of off screen play is superb for people with lots of people around that want to watch TV or movies. 

I don't understand the whole thought of 'core gamers' not utilizing anything and everything available to create new game experiences since it is actually expanding the gaming experience. As a 'core gamer' shouldn't they at least be willing to try everything? This is in reply to the negative view of motion controls on any of the systems. 

One of the next big things coming out for systems is VR which highly utilizes motion controls, so again, it's far from dead. 

Just a friendly reminder that motion gaming didn't die. A controller with motion options will always be better than regular controllers and certain genres (like every shooter ever) are infinitely better with it.

Sony was completely hamstrung with shooters using Move because MS would have had kittens over the likes of Activision implementing Move functionality in CoD, especially with MS having the marketing exclusivity with CoD. And SOny's shooters were never popular enough to drive that aspect of motion control into the shooter mainstream. They tried damned hard with KZ3, MAG, and Resistance 3, but al those games failed to sell substantially.

Sony would have had to moneyhat Move functionality into BF, and at the time Sony was not in a moneyhatting position.

It's curious that Bioshock Infinite implemented Move, but it was too little too late, and also only a 2nd tier shooter. It is odd that even Sony gave up on trying to promote Move in the 8th gen through KZ:SF, not that it would have helped much with SF not being a big seller. Motion controlled FPS might come back into vogue with VR. But VR taking off in a big way is far from certain.