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kopstudent89 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Are you serious? Nigel Farage is awesome! It's hilarious to watch him verbally destroy the E.U parliament leadership.

Well yes considering that I'm one of the people he wants out of the country


What do you mean? I checked the policies they would implement and it seems pretty fair in regards to immigration if that is what you are referring to.



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kopstudent89 said:
Nirvana_Nut85 said:

Are you serious? Nigel Farage is awesome! It's hilarious to watch him verbally destroy the E.U parliament leadership.

Well yes considering that I'm one of the people he wants out of the country

I think he just want's to make sure your not a criminal and that there's not too many of you coming into the country at once, like most countries around the world do.



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Ka-pi96 said:
SlayerRondo said:
kopstudent89 said:
I mostly care about UKIP burning away

If they had a referendum of the EU either major party could get rid of UKIP.

They won't because they want EU membership and the country largely does not.

Good, EU membership is what is best for the country.

That is your opinion, and considering that democracy is what's best for the country don't you think people should have the final say on such an important issue?

Decades ago people were able to vote on joining the EU when they though it was simply a free trade deal, why should the people of today not be allowed to vote.



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Ka-pi96 said:
SlayerRondo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Good, EU membership is what is best for the country.

That is your opinion, and considering that democracy is what's best for the country don't you think people should have the final say on such and important issue?

Democracy is what's best for the country?

Democracy is one of the worst forms of government possible! The majority of people are too stupid to deserve to have any say on government issues but are allowed to vote anyway turning it into just a petty popularity contest. It's an absolute farce!

While I agree that Democracy is one of the worst forms of government their is, so are all the rest of them.

And politicians thrive on the stupidity of the masses as they are skilled politicians and not skilled leaders.

But the one upside of democracy is that it allows peopleto eject the very worst of their leaders after a certain amount of time, like all the politicians who want to remain in the EU.



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kowenicki said:
The Fury said:

They had one already, in the 1970s.... fairly recent if you consider Ireland was part of the UK from 1801.

It is not recent politically, especially given what has happened there in the last 20 years.

You mean the Good Friday Agreement? Yeah.. you are right, another referendum would probably end in the same way just a less majority. 



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Ka-pi96 said:
SlayerRondo said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Democracy is what's best for the country?

Democracy is one of the worst forms of government possible! The majority of people are too stupid to deserve to have any say on government issues but are allowed to vote anyway turning it into just a petty popularity contest. It's an absolute farce!

While I agree that Democracy is one of the worst forms of government their is, so are all the rest of them.

And politicians thrive on the stupidity of the masses as they are skilled politicians and not skilled leaders.

But the one upside of democracy is that it allows peopleto eject the very worst of their leaders after a certain amount of time, like all the politicians who want to remain in the EU.

Democracy does have some advantages, that is true. Still not very good though.

You think the politicians that want to remain in the EU are the very worst?
So you think planning for the countries future is bad? Just because there are some immigrants or whatever?

Could you point out the part where I said planning for the countries future is bad?

And while I agree the politicians who want to remain in the EU are the very worst, that seems to imply they are a small fraction where the majority of politicians want in while the majority of people want out.

Immigration is one of the problems with the EU, under better circumstances the UK economy would be dynamic enough to cope with large numbers of immigrants but currently it is not and therefore the immigration system needs to be merit based.



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kowenicki said:

and there we have it.... I know best politics. 

This is condescending nonsense I'm afraid.  Having said that, I kind of agree to be honest... but stupid people are allowed a vote as much as intelligent people under our system, so suck it up.

What gives you the intellectual high ground to be so definitive on the EU question and say the silly public dont deserve a vote?

I live in the North of England and have to put up with seeing areas where "if a donkey had a red rosette it would still get elected", not my words... but oh so very, very true.  If you actually explore policies with many of those people they are bordeline Nazi's... yet they vote Labour.  Should we ban them from voting too? 


I'm not so sure that's a bad thing. A lot of "intelligent" people out there think they know "what's best for everybody". For example, based on your posting history, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be too happy with the results if only the University professors in the UK were allowed to vote

Wasn't one of the defenses against Gordon Brown something along the lines of "he's the most intelligent Prime Minister in recent history" (I guess by somekind of measure in academics or IQ, or something).



Ka-pi96 said:

I never said that I thought I was qualified to vote (not that I plan to either)...

The only thing the general public know about the EU is the media hate campaign it gets that blames everything on the EU and immigrants. The actual benefits of the EU aren't known or even cared about by those people. For business and the economy however the EU is of huge importance. Sure there are some problems with the EU at the moment, but they weren't there before and they can be fixed. Having that economic co-operation however is very important for the future of the country. The UK is just too small and weak to do much by itself, some resource countries can get away with that but the UK isn't particularly resource rich. Only together with the EU can the UK hope to be an economic and political powerhouse again.


For major corporations, maybe. For small and medium businesses (who are, by far, the largest employers in the UK) whether or not the EU is net benefit or cost to the benefit is really down to that business and their clients, it can go either way. My father's business primarily trades with China and the USA (as well as other British firms), not much business out of the EU. He still has to comply with all the EU regulations, though. For his business, he'd probably be better off without the EU.



DanRybacki said:

If I was 18 it'd be Lib Dem because they semi-care about the environment, and because it would block the Tories from taking my constituency :D


but isnt you 32 years old?



kowenicki said:


I agree.  I dont think you can stop stupid people voting and you shouldnt (Ka-pi was saying they shouldnt).  I wont get into the politics of it but I'm pretty sure Labour would lose the most under any system that checked intelligence or knowledge of the political system before counting a vote, probably the tories the second most and liberals 3rd. 

btw... University professors intelligent? lol.  Academic intelligence is over rated.  I believe they belong to the liberal elite. of we know best (hell... its their job to be like that).   Now thats a group I despise.


Ha, I agree with your about the intelligence of professors, they're just what common culture perceive to be the peak of intelligence. Well, Uni professors and UN panel members.