True, seems MS wants to control how everyone plays online while xbox gamers should pay the bills. Pretty unfair

What if MS is actually going with a pay per year model with Windows 10. PC gamers with Windows 10 will have to pay a yearly cost to keep the OS. This has already been speculated by some analysts and could be why they thought charging for live on top of that would be asking too much.

As things stand right now, I don't care about any of it as long as certain titles never touch Windows like Halo & Gears for example. I'm willing to pay a small fee a year to play the new Halo/Gears with my friends on Xbox One.

 Microsoft accepted PS+ into their way of doing before they were majorly hacked. Before then it was little bits of money being stolen off of Xbox Live. People just chose to target Sony instead of Microsoft. They were never safe. Yoshida just spoke about it recently that people try to get into their system everyday.

That'll kill Windows 10, before it even launches.

unfair? kinda, but here's the thing and this is kind of harsh. The users have to share some of the blame, these companies will only do what they think they can get away with. They got away with charging for XBL which more and more people started to see over the years that maybe they really didnt need to pay for it. No offense but the bed was kinda made already.

The whole XBL confused me from day one. What were people actually paying for? I know you pay to play online but what were they REALLY paying for? They had stuff like Netflix behind a paywall, no one else was doing that. They only just started adopting the PS+ "free" game thing with subscriptions. Cross game chat is a hardware issue (vita has that feature). And the whole it runs better is a myth (it depends on the game). Believe me if MS could charge on PC they would, but they cant, they know that, PC gamers know that. 

the only way that could work is if the entry fee is VERY cheap.

Edit: Matter of fact even then that would be crazy as I could see that driving more people to iOS. I wanna say MS isnt that stupid but honestly I dont know anymore.

It's not harsh in the slightest.  It's reality.  The mass adoption of the pay for MP model by console users, directly impacted an industry standard of players hosting/renting their own servers.  To hear them complaining about the unfairness of it all is the height of hypocrisy.  Players renting and controlling their own servers, is by far the best method of doing this.  Not only do players have real-time policing ability (ergo, banning idiots), but they can control many many other aspects of the server as well.  For regulation servers (for leveling or whatever), there were always 'check boxes' to ensure you're playing w/in the legal parameters set out by the devs (ergo, no mods, no bots, no assists etc...).

We already know the first year is free. If they charged $20-30 for everyone per year, I could see it happening. I think most people woud rather pay $20-30 every year for 3-4 years rather than $100+ straight up.

I was just trying to be nice but you are right.

I dont think many of those things could be implemented on consoles, but then again that makes the agrument that it should be free even stronger. So i'm still wondering what the hell people were paying for.

For this too work they have to have all the features. I better not have to buy MS office for 80 freaking bucks on top of the yearly fee.