Is this poll racist | |||
| Yes racist you should be brought to court | 19 | 8.19% | |
| Yes, but in your right of freedom of speech | 35 | 15.09% | |
| Indifferent | 16 | 6.90% | |
| No | 23 | 9.91% | |
| Not at all, some of your points are valid | 26 | 11.21% | |
| Not at all this demographic problem is real | 113 | 48.71% | |
| Total: | 232 | ||
| Panther111 said: Dont quite understand what you mean with that reply.. |
I was quoting in agreement.
Qwark said:
The US might've a huge immigration from south america (especially Mexico), but these people are mostly christian and integrate quite easily. Your politic system is also build on moslty western parties which. There is much less of a cultural difference between the immigrants of the US and there Western citizens. Russia is a superpower with an outstanding amount of nucleiar weapons and doesn't care about the UN to much especially if big brother Murica doesn't care to much anymore and can be ruled by one dictator, unlike Europe where you get hold back by the EU since they make quite a lot of laws for every member of the EU. So the US and Canada will remain Western Civilisations will not change to much I guess, perhaps the percentage of white people will decrease further or white Europeans emigrate to you again, which will make the situation in Europe problematic. |
Yes they change ultimaticly, latin american countries neither are western. In fact they will change to a higher speed than europe.
I say neither. Try to integrate it.
Imo Austria has started a good atempt at that. According to some new(ish) law they accept the islam as a national religion, but imams paid from outside of the country are probibited to try and minimize influence form arabic countries and imams sent from there. Also they demand a (non radical/non violent) official translation of the coran into german, and say that law is to stand above religion.
By doing this they try to limit the (culturally different) influence of the arabic regions and forster a home grown islam which incorporates more domestic values, which imo is the way to go.
| foodfather said: Muslims and their shiria law are becoming a big problem in central london. Its sickening. Everywhere you look its halal this, imshalla that. Some resturants now dont serve pork/ ham in fear of ''offending''. Some local Off licences are no longer selling alcohol. |
Maybe some politicians resonate and feels at ease with concepts such as shiria law, and actually wouldnt mind such a society ;---p And despite of their talks about diversity and freedom, there subconscious voice are quite opposed to such things.
| Qwark said: Who says I am not going to, I am dutch and know quite a few things of watermanagement quite handy since we covered quite a few of those problems worldwide and you guys in the US could surely use some help. But Europe is still a Western continent although I doubt if it will stay that way for the next century. Losing a culture which has formed most of the human rights alongside with North America is a shame, the cultural loss would be massive since more than one or two things came from Europe. So for that alone I would like Europe to remain Western, but if that isn't possible no point of staying on a sinking ship. |
...A sinking ship. Because different cultures are mixing in EU? Europe won't be considered a western continent to you, because it's accepting muslims? It's "losing culture" because they're being inclusive?
Right. I shouldn't be in this thread.
Yes, Europe should fear Islamism!!!!! My country (Malta, European country since 2004) is one of the most muslim infested catholic country in Europe, they've already started taking over shops with Halal signs and some have already integrated into society leading schools to remove the catholic cross from class rooms due to being offensive. Hell they want another Mosque. The italians don't want to take any imagrants and at this rate we'll end up a muslim country very soon.
| Qwark said: So the US and Canada will remain Western Civilisations will not change to much I guess, perhaps the percentage of white people will decrease further or white Europeans emigrate to you again, which will make the situation in Europe problematic. |
Besides, what is considered "white" in America has changed a lot over the years. Southern and Eastern Europeans weren't "white" once upon a time. Now they are. More Hispanics are identifying themselves as white lately, so the census makes the US look less white than it actually is because anyone who checks that they are both white and Hispanic is considered not really white by the government.
What should be a much bigger concern for the US than a demographic shift is that the education system is shit and is turning out millions of mollycoddled neurotics who can't read, think, or do much else besides be triggered by microaggressions. If the future of America is the United States of Tumblr, the European Caliphate may start looking pretty good!
| huiii said: I say neither. Try to integrate it. Imo Austria has started a good atempt at that. According to some new(ish) law they accept the islam as a national religion, but imams paid from outside of the country are probibited to try and minimize influence form arabic countries and imams sent from there. Also they demand a (non radical/non violent) official translation of the coran into german, and say that law is to stand above religion. By doing this they try to limit the (culturally different) influence of the arabic regions and forster a home grown islam which incorporates more domestic values, which imo is the way to go. |
The problem is that when islam political parties are rising due to demographics, those laws could be annaulized easily if there are enough people to vote for them. Europes politics can change way faster than those in America the only party who can hold this back is the despicable EU. In Denmark the Quran is being readed on national televison to gather support and tolerance for these people. Even with a minimal influence already 650 germans traveled to Syria/Iraq to fight for IS, many muslims don't want to live in a free Western Europe but a new peacefull Middle East which was previously known as Europe.
Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar
| Qwark said: For asking this question and even considering fearing I probably am considered racist by some people so I guess I am supposed to be sorry for you guys. So why am I asking this question, well the answer is demographics Europe shelters quite a few imigrants these days, especially france, germany, brittain and The Netherlands (where I am from, you know that racist and stoned country where everyone drives on a bike). So that is very nice of these countries right except there is one little problem. The problem is that those fled/immigrated people reproduce more than the initial citizens in Germany, Belgium, Britain, Austria etc. is going downwards or will be in a few years. In Europe people are litterary fished out of the sea to live in Europe, since we barely watch our borders. So as the numbers of mainly muslim immigrants grow there influence in politics is getting bigger for instance let's say the total amount of those people is 5% in Europe after 50 years that might be 15-20% considering the hellhole the middle east is these days. If there rises a party especially for those people and they will get many votes our rules will change and slowly but surely Europe will' become more Islamic. With a small party of immigrated muslims antiseminism is already climbing through the roof in Europe and I fear the worst for the jews as massive ammounts are already emigrating to Israel and not being to much fan of muslims anymore for obvious reasons. Not saying they are right, but if you need a bulletproof vest to go to a synagoge and the state doesn't give a shits about you, I kind a get it. Besides mosques are rising everywhere and some ministers are already considering that arabic should be teached in Dutch schools, perhaps not a terrible Idea since many imigrated family's refuse to learn Dutch and my mother is amaternity nurse and regulary experiences a huge language barrier. If islamic parties get a bigger saying and there laws will find there way in Europe we might lose our friendship with the United States or the relations will at least be cooled down since our politics will become different and the freedom of speach is already being discussed in Europe due to recent attacks. Israel is probably going to hate us Russia does already, the Middle East isn't and never wll become our allies, didn't care for world war 2 either except turkey. So millitairy we will be an easy target to be invaded by Russia, which will gain more influence over Europe then they already've since the US and Canada will care less if a big cultural difference will be created between them and Europe and I doubt they would like to risk a nucleair war, nor should they.
So what do you think, should Europe close their eyes for this demographic trend and accept the islamism of the continent, with all the problems which will come forward of it since different cultures living amongst eachother results in tension especially jews and muslims. Or should we act and defend our borders like the US and Australia I would like Europe to be a full western continent in 2100 like North America but with the current policy of letting more than 275.000 immigrants which are almost all muslim I doubt whether that is possible?
So is my fear of the Islam justified or am I a racist Islamophobic asshole?
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Why you affraid of Islam if Islam accepting all race, gender, country, culture, skin collor. Islam is not just Arab or Middle East. Islam is for all mankind.
“Say: `I seek refuge with the Rabb (Only God, Cherisher and Sustainer) of mankind, the King (or Ruler) of mankind, the God (or Judge) of mankind ¾ from the mischief of the Whisperer (of Evil), who withdraws (after his whisper) (the same) who whispers in the hearts of mankind, of the jinn and of mankind.’” (Qur’an 114:1-6)
“We have not sent you (O Muhammad) but as a (Messenger) to all mankind, giving glad tidings, and warning them (against) sin, but most men know not.” (34:28)
Allâh! There is no god but He the Living the Self-Subsisting Eternal. It is He Who sent down to you (step by step) in truth the Book (the Qur’ân) confirming what went before it. And He sent down Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this as a guide to mankind and He sent down the Criterion (of judgment between right and wrong). Then those who reject Faith in the Signs of Allâh will suffer the severest penalty and Allâh s Exalted in Might Rabb of Retribution. (3:2-4)
spemanig said:
Right. I shouldn't be in this thread. |
Wouldnt call religion culture necessarily... Religion has much to do with laws that individuals abide to, how to live, how to act. That goes for all religions, and the doctrines that follow.
culture is something different.
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