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Forums - Politics Discussion - Should Europe fear Islamism or embrace it

 

Is this poll racist

Yes racist you should be brought to court 19 8.19%
 
Yes, but in your right of freedom of speech 35 15.09%
 
Indifferent 16 6.90%
 
No 23 9.91%
 
Not at all, some of your points are valid 26 11.21%
 
Not at all this demographic problem is real 113 48.71%
 
Total:232

The Muslim situation in Europe actually reminds me of the Hispanic situation America has currently. I don't care if they come here, I just want them to become legal citizens, not run across the border in droves. Is that really asking too much?



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NobleTeam360 said:
The Muslim situation in Europe actually reminds me of the Hispanic situation America has currently. I don't care if they come here, I just want them to become legal citizens, not run across the border in droves. Is that really asking too much?


Oh! And they need to learn the language of the land. That is pretty much all I want.

communication is important, believe it!



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It's already known that the perceived number of Muslims is way overstated by many Europeans, we're all panicking for nothing. Instead, we should be learning how to peacefully co-exist.



deskpro2k3 said:
NobleTeam360 said:
The Muslim situation in Europe actually reminds me of the Hispanic situation America has currently. I don't care if they come here, I just want them to become legal citizens, not run across the border in droves. Is that really asking too much?


Oh! And they need to learn the language of the land. That is pretty much all I want.

communication is important, believe it!

It defenitly is, without speaking the language I will never even consider an immigrant integrated in our society neither respecting it if theu don't (try to) speak it within 2 years, nor would I hire him, or give him the right to vote. But that is my racist opinion, luckily in the Netherlands these days you can't be really ilegal anymore or at least it isn't a crime anymore. 



Please excuse my (probally) poor grammar

Oh this silly little planet. Better connected than ever, yet more defensive than ever of its boundaries and lines drawn on a map. Let people come and go and encourage tolerance, love and understanding for future generations. 

Otherwise, this whole damn world is going to shit. Not because of one religion or another, but because of a refusal to ignore that for the sake of humanity and the planet.

 



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Ka-pi96 said:
Don't see it as a problem. I think it is more likely those immigrants will westernise, especially their children.

That only happens if they're integrated properly,  mingle and marry with local people.  

 

It's like irish people flooded America and despite our catholicism conflicting with protestants everyone is mingled in. Same with whites and blacks or eastern Europeans in western Europe although at an earlier stage.  

 

If its really a problem stop accepting Muslim immigration and take immigrants from other countries instead.  And spread them out in society particularly schools so the Muslim kids grow up and become friends with locals instead of staying exclusively with their own.  In my university I was friends with a few Muslims from areas where they were integrated properly.  And they were just like anybody else.  Still very religious but there was no friction whatsoever.  



Ignore it! Dont fear it and dont welcome it.



Qwark said:
Puppyroach said:
First of, the OP mixes stuff together. Islamism and Islam are to radically different things. Second, do you really think that just because a person is Muslim, she it he automatically vote for an Islamic party? Also, we have several Christian parties in Europe and you don't seem to react to them the same way, even though people who have claimed themselves to be Christian has caused way worse tragedies than radical Muslims. I would say that the post is full unfounded judgement of people who happen to belong to one religion, and I think that mindset is wrong whether you direct it at Muslim, Christians, Jews, atheists or anyone else. Try to start seeing people as people instead, that could help you ALOT.

People are people, but even people aren't always as good as we like to think we are, besides loving and compasionate we are greedy, arrogant, wage war amongst eachother, destroy the planet and every non human creature living on it and opress. Besides not every human is the same or want to be treated the same as another human if I did that I would insult many people on a daily basis, giving hands, celebrating santa since wishing merry christmas is not done for some cultures, black pete et cetera, for example what is very normal to one culture might be very insulting towards another, which is exactly the problem and is why some cultures better couldn't be mixed in to great numbers, creating tension and cultural wriction

As long as that party has a lot to offer what you want, which very well could be the case in Europe than yeah I guess quite a lot of people wil vote for that party since quite a lot feel opressed (whether that is justified is another discussion) and if there is a party standing up for their rights should'n you vote for that party?  The Christian political parties in Europe have few to offer these days we have churches the religion is widely accepted, yet declining since atheism is growing among young people and there primal concerns are about whether shops should be open on sunday and anticonception. But please enlight which Christian group has caused something like 9/11 or blowing up a london metro the since 2000, which isn't a goverment.

Anders Behring Breivik shot 74 kids at a youth camp and claimed to be on a Christian crusade towards Islamism. You've had several cases of Christian terrorism on American soil, only those people are always called crazy (funny how that is). You also have the Bush crusade against Iraq, an illegal war that wasn't sanctioned by the US congress and where Bush on numerous occasions made references to god. The thing is, we make up different rules for "us" compared to "them" and take the easy way out in grouping people of a certain religion together and making them responsible for what a few radical elements do.

An example of how media prioritize: How much have you heard of the Norwegian synagogue, where 1000 Muslims formed a chain in order to protect the Jews inside from any potential terrorist attack? For every terrorist in a religion, you have a thousand people within that religion that are prepared to stand up against violence.



Ka-pi96 said:
Kerotan said:
Ka-pi96 said:
Don't see it as a problem. I think it is more likely those immigrants will westernise, especially their children.

That only happens if they're integrated properly,  mingle and marry with local people.  

 

It's like irish people flooded America and despite our catholicism conflicting with protestants everyone is mingled in. Same with whites and blacks or eastern Europeans in western Europe although at an earlier stage.  

 

If its really a problem stop accepting Muslim immigration and take immigrants from other countries instead.  And spread them out in society particularly schools so the Muslim kids grow up and become friends with locals instead of staying exclusively with their own.  In my university I was friends with a few Muslims from areas where they were integrated properly.  And they were just like anybody else.  Still very religious but there was no friction whatsoever.  

It's difficult/impossible to decide pick and choose what countries the immigrants come from though and when they do arrive you can't force them to live in certain areas or anything like that.


In my country I don't think Islam is seen as an issue.  They are very spread out and very well educated people.  Usually the kids parents moved because they are doctors.  We have 80k Muslims out of 4.5 million people.  They bring far more to this country than most immigrants.  Will be interesting to see it develop but unless we have an attack on our country everything should be fine for a long time. 



If it brings with it barbarism like honor killings, sharia law, and child marriage, then absolutely it should be feared.

Look at the state of affairs in countries like Afghanistan, where militant Islam reigns. 

I'm not saying all Muslims support these despicable practices, plenty of them are law abiding and peaceful people, but at this point in time, fundamentalism within Islam is at a dangerous level.