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"Nintendo don't want to compete with other companies! Because we are not good at it!" These were the words out of the mouth of Satoru Iwata himself some years ago.



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the AC thing is stupid, they just should have packed in an usb-AC cable..



Very informative topic. I'd just like to point that nintendo doesn't own bayonetta or devil's third and that the likes of paper mario, mario kart/party/tennis... are all individual franchises.



Materia-Blade said:

Very informative topic. I'd just like to point that nintendo doesn't own bayonetta or devil's third and that the likes of paper mario, mario kart/party/tennis... are all individual franchises.


Wow. Seems like interest has picked back up on this topic.
Right on time for my return from Club Nintendo hustling & beating The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (AT LAST!).

Yeah I admit I'm talking in future tense on Bayonetta.
Sega has just recently announced their exit from console market (a moment of silence please........).
And on Bayonetta 2, they were only on the label because of franchise-owning rights.
That was REALLY a Nintendo/Platinum Games project.

Nintendo bought Fatal Frame & Xeno & brought them into the fold.
When Nintendo spends money on a franchise, it's going to be theirs.
Nintendo's a known cheapskate so when they spend money you know it's for a reason.
Sega will probably not hold on to these console game franchises so who else is there to take them?
I wonder what that means for Atlus since Sega saved them from the collapsing Index Holdings.
I saw a looooooot of Atlus on that latest Nintendo Direct.
Does that mean that Atlus will join Nintendo as a 2nd party?

They saved Xeno from oblivion turning the Xenogears/Xenosaga series into Xenoblade.
They brought in Fatal Frame & Devil's Third.
Nintendo SPD is a co-developer on Devil's Third. Devil's Third is in the family, my man.
You can count on Nintendo to hold onto publishing rights for Bayonetta.
They need titles like that to diversify their library.

And I mentioned the sub-franchises of Mario only in reference to total franchises not new ones.
They're individual franchises but yet still part of the larger Mario body.
That's why I call them sub-franchises.

Thank you for reading my post, Materia-blade.
Volume 3 is coming soon. So stay tuned for more informativeness.

John Lucas



Words from the Official VGChartz Idiot

WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

johnlucas said:
Materia-Blade said:

Very informative topic. I'd just like to point that nintendo doesn't own bayonetta or devil's third and that the likes of paper mario, mario kart/party/tennis... are all individual franchises.


Wow. Seems like interest has picked back up on this topic.
Right on time for my return from Club Nintendo hustling & beating The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword (AT LAST!).

Yeah I admit I'm talking in future tense on Bayonetta.
Sega has just recently announced their exit from console market (a moment of silence please........).
And on Bayonetta 2, they were only on the label because of franchise-owning rights.
That was REALLY a Nintendo/Platinum Games project.

Nintendo bought Fatal Frame & Xeno & brought them into the fold.
When Nintendo spends money on a franchise, it's going to be theirs.
Nintendo's a known cheapskate so when they spend money you know it's for a reason.
Sega will probably not hold on to these console game franchises so who else is there to take them?
I wonder what that means for Atlus since Sega saved them from the collapsing Index Holdings.
I saw a looooooot of Atlus on that latest Nintendo Direct.
Does that mean that Atlus will join Nintendo as a 2nd party?

They saved Xeno from oblivion turning the Xenogears/Xenosaga series into Xenoblade.
They brought in Fatal Frame & Devil's Third.
Nintendo SPD is a co-developer on Devil's Third. Devil's Third is in the family, my man.
You can count on Nintendo to hold onto publishing rights for Bayonetta.
They need titles like that to diversify their library.

And I mentioned the sub-franchises of Mario only in reference to total franchises not new ones.
They're individual franchises but yet still part of the larger Mario body.
That's why I call them sub-franchises.

Thank you for reading my post, Materia-blade.
Volume 3 is coming soon. So stay tuned for more informativeness.

John Lucas

We still need a formal announcement that nintendo has the rights over bayonetta and devil's third, though.

we'll have to disagree on what sub franchise means. to me, if the game is completely different, it is it's own franchise, regardless of wich character it uses.



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I disagree with Nintendo IPs and Crytek. Nintendo desperately needs a good new IP...... (Splatoon is a great start!) and Crytek games are 90% graphics not 60% lol



johnlucas said:

FICTION: Sony needs to cut all branches & just become a game company.
FACT: Sony is an Electronics & Media company at heart not a Game company. It would be the WORST thing they could do.


3400 words to tell something that only idiots believe and where one slide from a financial report would serve as better argumentation.

I guess these guys should have stuck to their book shop, by the way?



Materia-Blade said:

We still need a formal announcement that nintendo has the rights over bayonetta and devil's third, though.

we'll have to disagree on what sub franchise means. to me, if the game is completely different, it is it's own franchise, regardless of wich character it uses.


OK. We'll just put an asterisk on those two for now.
Be prepared for the formal announcement. Hahahaha!

And we're not in total disagreement about a whole different genre being its own franchise.
Mario is primarily a platformer but Mario Kart is a cart racer while Mario Tennis is a tennis game while Mario Party is a board game.
I DO see those games as distinct franchises but my only point is that they spun off of the original Mario platform franchise & each carry a little bit of what made the original Mario franchise what it is.

That's why I use the word 'franchise' in 'sub-franchise'.
To me that's a compliment on how powerful a franchise Mario can be when it can spinoff so many strong franchises that can standalone from their source.
Some kids today are being introduced to Mario through Mario Kart rather than New Super Mario Bros. U.

Maybe the word 'series' will be better suited.
John Lucas



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WE ARE THE NATION...OF DOMINATION!

 

Ka-pi96 said:
johnlucas said:

FICTION: It was OK for Nintendo to not pack an AC adapter with the New 3DS.
FACT: It was STUPID for Nintendo to not pack an AC adapter with the New 3DS.

An AC adapter has never been included in Europe, neither for the 3DS or the New 3DS. Americans just need to stop feeling entitled to everything all the time and just buy an adapter, it really isn't that difficult.


Somehow I overlooked this post. Let me get back on this.

Ka-pi96, I'll say this. It was WRONG for Nintendo not to pack a AC Adapter for the European market. Point blank.
That wasn't right for you guys either. It's just not right all around.
I'm not saying what I'm saying because I'm American, I'm saying it because it's bad practice no matter WHO Nintendo does it to.

I didn't know you guys were getting shafted on this too & thank you for informing me.
Nintendo has to cut the waste to save money. I got no problem with that. But an AC Adapter is not a waste.

Imagine buying a Wii U & they have no power cord in the box! Hahahahaha! INSANE!
They're already making the AC Adapters so what's the difference in packing it into the box by default?

When a company does a bad practice I'll call 'em out. EVEN if it's Nintendo.
Don't let them make you get used to this. DEMAND that AC Adapters be put inside the package.
This should not be normal.

Ka-pi96 said:
johnlucas said:

FICTION: Nintendo needs to make new IP’s.
FACT: Nintendo makes “new IP’s” every generation.

Ok, first I have to point out that Nintendo didn't make the Bayonetta IP. But other than that, yeah you're right.

 

Well, I'm counting both developed & published titles in the mix.
Super Smash Bros. has never been developed by the internal Nintendo teams.
That was originally a HAL Laboratory project than eventually became a potluck of development.
HAL is one Nintendo's right hand men but they are not directly Nintendo.
Intelligent Systems is more directly Nintendo but not HAL even if they may as well be.
It's sort of like with Pokémon being a complex web of ownership between Game Freak, Creatures, & Nintendo.
Never developed internally by Nintendo but still part of the Nintendo family.

And some of them like Xeno & Fatal Frame were brought in from the outside.
Xeno is Monolith Soft all day long. Monolith Soft, a descendant of Squaresoft.
After Xenogears being all Square & Xenosaga being Monolith & Namco now Xenoblade is Monolith & Nintendo.
So with that change Xeno became a Nintendo franchise.
It's more like the way Microsoft & Sony set up their 1st parties on this situation.
Outside company incorporated into the existing body.

Fatal Frame was Tecmo but now it's a Tecmo/Nintendo tag team.

Seeing that Sega has pretty much exited the console market, you know that they won't be holding on to the Bayonetta license.
Bayonetta 2 only existed because of Nintendo's funding. They're the publisher. Sega's name was just on the box as a mark of ownership.
Platinum has been friendly towards Nintendo going back to the days when they were Capcom's Clover Studio.
So it's pretty much all said & done that Bayonetta WILL BE an official Nintendo franchise developed by its creators Platinum Games.
A franchise that will give Nintendo's library much needed depth.

A clue to this reality exists in that April 1st Nintendo Direct.
Atlus was saved from the collapsing Index Holdings by Sega-Sammy.
With Sega exiting consoles, where does that leave Atlus?
Did you SEE how many Atlus games were on that Nintendo Direct? I mean DAMN!
Nintendo has probably already worked out deals to take Atlus off of Sega's hands.
Atlus & Nintendo go WAY back to the NES days even if they weren't one of the biggest developers back then.

It was one of those missed opportunities that Nintendo didn't pick up Atlus in the first place. Another was Hudson Soft.
Atlus is one of the strongest developers out here right now & they need financial cover so they can continue making those well-developed games.
If they could stand alone & support themselves, they would never be under Index Holdings OR Sega-Sammy in the first place.
Might as well UNITE with a company that's guaranteed to be here for the long haul.

If Nintendo spends money on a franchise, they don't let it go.
They're cheapskates when it comes to spending money so when they DO spend you know they're going for more than just one game hit-and-quit.
They're going for the franchise to have those games for the long term.

Just wait & see when they announce it.
The fact that Nintendo took the time to give the complete series of Bayonetta in one package means that they want this franchise identified with their system.
It's not just a guest star like Ninja Gaiden 3: Razor's Edge was.
I expect them to do the same with Fatal Frame in time.

Ka-pi96 said:
johnlucas said:

FICTION: Project Morpheus will be a success for Sony on the PS4.
FACT: Project Morpheus will be Sony’s Virtual Boy.

It isn't a fact. Not yet, but I do agree it will probably do poorly. Won't be a fact until that has actually come to pass though.

 

OK. Not yet. Future FACT then. Hahahaha.

Ka-pi96 said:
johnlucas said:

FICTION: Crytek CEO: Graphics are 60% of the game.
FACT: Crytek CEO says he withheld employees’ pay in order to save the company.
Moral of the Tale – Gameplay comes before Graphics. Game comes before Video.

Gameplay is more important than graphics and Crytek are idiots. I agree

 

I'm glad you have this mindset too. So many people forget or choose not to know.

Ka-pi96 said:
johnlucas said:

FICTION: Sony needs to cut all branches & just become a game company.
FACT: Sony is an Electronics & Media company at heart not a Game company. It would be the WORST thing they could do.

They should (and already have) cut down a bit, but certainly not all branches. You're right it would be a terrible idea for them to just cut down to gaming. Although you aren't quite right that they aren't a game company at heart. Maybe they weren't at first, but they are now. It is one of their most important parts. Gaming + Movies + Music + Financial Services should all definitely stay. If they can turn it around then the mobile division should as well.

 

Well I'm happy you see what I'm saying about the mistake of them pinning all hopes on the PlayStation division, Sony Computer Entertainment.
But we still disagree about what Sony is at heart.

The way I see it, this games thing is a side hustle for Sony that's getting mistaken as the main hustle because of PlayStation's brand prominence.
I think focusing so much on PlayStation is HOW they fell behind in all of their other branches.
They kept using PlayStation as a gateway to all other Sony products but this very strategy destroyed their focus.
They took their eye off of their Walkman empire & when Apple took it from them with the iPod, what did they fight them with?
A PlayStation Portable. ABSOLUTELY the wrong device to fight Apple with.

All they needed to do was tweak the Walkman & they might have survived Apple's onslaught.
But because they were out of their depth posing as a game company, they used a game device to stand up to a multimedia device.
It was easy to turn a Walkman into a smartphone. Why didn't they do it?
So end result was not only did they not trample Nintendo in the game device realm they ALSO didn't stand up to Apple in the multimedia device realm.
PSP, the proclaimed Walkman of the 21st Century, acheived none of its most important goals.

They used the PlayStation 3 to push Blu-ray like PlayStation 2 pushed DVDs but in the end everybody started streaming!
So those once-expensive Blu-rays are just as cheap as the DVDs they were intended to replace.
Wii U can STILL play movies without a Blu-ray disc drive when you use the more popular Netflix, Hulu, & Crunchyroll.
In the end it didn't matter. Nobody even cares about that HD DVD vs. Blu-ray nonsense anymore.
Packing the PS3 with all of that unnecessary fluff is part of what caused them to be in such fragile financial shape today.

If they did not focus on using their game platforms as the archstone of their strategies, they might have fixed up some of their problems in their weaker branches. They would have approached those markets with a clearer head & sharper focus to know what moves they need to make.

Yeah, the PS4 is selling good now. But what about tomorrow?
The videogame business is one of the most volatile businesses in the world.
Even the most cash-filled companies (Microsoft) can't figure out how to turn a profit out of it.
Such an industry so impactful to the culture yet so fragile where many members of that industry end up destroyed.

Mark my words, Sony's focus on the PlayStation will destroy that company.
Sony Computer Entertainment has a dependent business model that doesn't give them a lot of control.
If anything happens to their 3rd party vendors, they can't hold themselves up.
Instead of putting all of their chips on such a risky fickle business, they should instead remember their roots & restore what they once were in the electronics/media realm.

A company NEVER leaves its roots.
You can always trace it back to the origins no matter how disparate & seemingly unconnected a company's later ventures are.
Sony has a games business but Sony is not a gamemaker.
This is their side hustle not the essence of who they are as a company.
Even if the side hustle brings in millions today, they need to figure out how to bring in millions in the businesses that established them.

You see what happened to Sega, right?
Service Games started out in the arcades with coin-op machines. Jukeboxes, slot machines, & arcade games.
What happened when the coin-op arcade business faded as the 2000s started?
Sega dropped as a company. And it's been a slooooooooow decline ever since.
Sega is an Arcade Amusement company at heart & I see this when I look at the Crane Game in my local Wal-Mart designed by Sega with a Sonic the Hedgehog sticker on front.
I see this in the gameplay mechanics of Sonic which mixes Mario platforming with pinball mechanics.
Those little red plungers that bounce Sonic all around is part of Sega's coin-op arcade legacy.
Just like those Super Monkey Balls rolling around like pinballs.

I'm not saying that PlayStation has no place in Sony's portfolio but that PlayStation should not be the MAIN part of their portfolio.
If Sony makes the mistake of seeing themselves as a Game company instead of a Electronics/Media Engineering company, the future will show them the error of their ways.
At the end of the day, PlayStation is side money for the Sony Corporation.
Sony Corporation needs to get back on the ball with what REALLY drives them as a company.

John Lucas



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