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Did Vladimir Putin have a connection to the assassination?

Yes, no doubt about that! 45 64.29%
 
No! He'd never go that far! 25 35.71%
 
Total:70
antigin said:
Ruler said

He never had 86% support, Moscow is not entire Russia

http://echo.msk.ru/news/1501014-echo.html 

26 Feb 2015

85% In January

86% in February

The survey was conducted February 20-23 among 1,600 people in 134 settlements of 46 regions of the country. The statistical error does not exceed 3.4%.

Made up by echo of moscow cia sponsored website



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It was Stalin



on Putins orders or an act of preemptive obedience



Ruler said:
super6646 said:

Anyone with two brain cells could tell you who called it; the one and only Vladimir Putin. I mean lets keep this real if anyone thinks that this isn't true is got to be kidding themselves. Putin was losing to the opposition, and was getting desperate. So like Stalin did he simply eliminates them. He may have even done it himself, trying to go back to his memorable KGB days. But I don't see any media outlets really saying much about it, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. Now it could be possible it had nothing to do with Putin, and if so well good for him! But I mean if it where proven he had a connection, I wouldn't be shocked in anyway! Anyway post your comments below, and I'll also add a poll to see what people think.


Everyone with two braincells could tell who benifits the most are the people responsible, and given that the US goverment is losing support for ukriane they need another scapegoat to bash russia. I except it to be a cia job

Possible.

I find it strange that Pussy Riot appeared on a house of cards episode aired, first time yesterday, filmed back in August, criticising Putin.Strange timing.Probably ties into what you're saying about the Ukraine situation and demonising Putin.



I wouldn't say Putin knew anything of the plot. But I would say someone close to Putin knew of it and they were either in on it, or they elected not to do anything to prevent it. Unless the guy turns out to have other enemies it will be Putin supporters (or at least people who have become greatly enriched or empowered by Putin being in power, who are concerned they would lose power or wealth if someone ever unseated Putin), who are behind it.



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FightingSmile said:
Hmm it is interesting. I have no doubt it was politically motivated, lol common sense really. However it could be loyal supporters of PUTIN were fearing his presidency was gone if they allowed the opposition guy more time. Or it could be PUTIN ordering hitman. Don't know

I think this is the most likely scenario. But I don't think the Russian president the killing, he is very popular so he is not going to lose the next ellection.



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Ruler said:
super6646 said:

Anyone with two brain cells could tell you who called it; the one and only Vladimir Putin. I mean lets keep this real if anyone thinks that this isn't true is got to be kidding themselves. Putin was losing to the opposition, and was getting desperate. So like Stalin did he simply eliminates them. He may have even done it himself, trying to go back to his memorable KGB days. But I don't see any media outlets really saying much about it, so I guess we'll have to wait and see. Now it could be possible it had nothing to do with Putin, and if so well good for him! But I mean if it where proven he had a connection, I wouldn't be shocked in anyway! Anyway post your comments below, and I'll also add a poll to see what people think.


Everyone with two braincells could tell who benifits the most are the people responsible, and given that the US goverment is losing support for ukriane they need another scapegoat to bash russia. I except it to be a cia job

But why would the CIA have interest in the opposition? Wouldn't they threaten someone else? It makes no sense considering it means little to nothing to the US or CIA. And to bash Russia? It seems kinda silly. I'd probably go for someone more powerful. But no powerful enough to start WW3. Personally don't know who that would be, but the CIA should. Anyway it is pretty much certain it had nothing to do with the CIA, and I think Vladimir Putin was involved. 



Even if Putin didn't explicitly order it, he approves of it being done. After all, there are no negative consequences for him.

I think the approval rate is real - he has made Russia matter in the world again, regardless of how it was achieved.



super6646 said:

So like Stalin did he simply eliminates them.

The irony is there was similar incident back then... the assassination of Kirov, to whom Stalin was a friend. There was a widely spread verse blaming Stalin (modern equivalent of hash tag in twitter or meme):

Огурчики, помидорчики,
Сталин убил Кирова в коридорчике.

Two independent groups have worked on this case, one of them decades after the event. No remote connections of Stalin to this have been found.

 

As for this one, well, you need to be a somewhat alternatively developed to consider anyone could lose anything to Nemtsov. If we're ruling out other options and consider this was a political murder, then... politicians are being murdered for two things -- to make a headline and for power, since Nemtsov didn't have any power, "sacral victim" it is. So if you want to unwind the situation further, you need to keep that in mind. The planned rally on March 1st in Moscow (it was planned before, but it was changed to "in the memory" sort of rally) made it to 16k of paricipants, which is few times lower as compared to the events from two years ago. Yeah, they could successfully feed Nemtsov case to the western viewer as he barely knows anyting about Nemtsov, but it won't fly over here. And since brainwashing western viewer is not the goal, I'd say they are running out of steam and the whole event was rather formulaic. All in all murdering Nemtsov to pump people up is rather questionable startegy. Murder all of them for all I care, it won't fly.



Ruler said:

America did this, they are know for making coups and destabelizing the world. See at chile coup

First of all, why would they want to do that? Don't you think they would rather use this guy as their puppet in future elections or for propaganda purposes? Secondly, Russia is not Chile. Also, the Russains did the same exact thing during the Cold War. Thirdly, you have this perception that the CIA is this organization that exists everywhere and can do anything at any time. This is not true at all. This was a Cold War myth created by the CIA themselves in order to make themselves appear more powerful than they actually were. The reality is the CIA isn't really better than any other intelligence organization and if anything, they've gotten worse at their job since the end of the Cold War.



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