https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6LvkSACkTw

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So, the short story is, there's a facility in Chicago operated by the local police, staffed by former Gitmo staff, used for "disappearing" citizens - ie, arrested and detained for indefinite time without any form of record, and attorney access has been denied. It has surfaced that a man died in this facility... nobody knows or are how he died, and nobody knows why he was detained in there in the first place.

This is so abhorrently evil and unconstitutional, that it'll probably be kept out of the courts.

"Sliding slope fallacy" my ass. The reason why people fear sliding slopes is because they are guaranteed to happen.

Look maybe they had a good reason. Sliding slopes slide both ways my friend. If you ban police brutality, then pretty soon cops will be armed only with bouquets of flowers and greeting cards.

I'm sorry defending police black sites in America (home of the supposedly free) is beyond ridiculous. Next you're going to tell me that the constitution of the United States is null and void....... oh wait we're already heading in that direction anyway. Hope everyone that didn't care about our freedom being trampled on won't be crying in the future when we live in an oppressed society.

Oh and the NDAA allows them to do this, like Benjamin Franklin said: Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.

but this is needed to stop the terrorists!... that were and continue to be funded by the CIA...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9RCFZnWGE0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk35suofbYQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oMjXbuj7BPI

but whatever this is all just crazy conspiracy stuff anyway

there's no way that it could be part of a larger plot to coerce people into dependency to the government nope not at all

The constitution isn't really that great is it? Which liberties are essential? Every law ever written involves trading liberty for security.

Hopefully, and then we could get rid of them entirely.

The reason the cia funds terrorists is actually quite simple - they are operating under strict orders from our Muslim president with the intent to institute sharia law worldwide.

Yeah the Consitution is really great, it's the reason we became a prospurous society after defeating Britain. Essential liberties would be those established in the Bill of Rights. Assuming you actually live in the UK, I'm sure you're used to letting your government push you and your people around or should I say the EU? since they are the ones who really control your country now. 

I am an American. The constitution was fine in its day, but surely it could be improved upon now, I mean the country is riddled with corruption and run by oligarchs. And in retrospect democracy wasn't really such a good idea after all. Anyone who believes that jesus rose from the dead for instance, isn't fit to make any decisions of any significance whatsoever in my opinion.

Yes the country has wide spread corruption becasue the constitution is being ignored. So you're saying that everyone who runs for public office should be an atheist or agnostic?