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PS3 Games(-series) that sold more than 0.5 millions in Japan:
FF, RE, GTA, One Piece Pirate Musou, MGS, GT, Hot Shots Golf, Dragon's Dogma, Tales of X, Yakuza, COD, SF, Warriors, Dark Souls, MH, PES and a few more.
For Wii there are the usual suspects that sold more than 0.5 millions in Japan:
MK, SSBB, M Party, Animal C, SMG, LoZ, DKC, Kirby, Wario, M&S Olympics, DQ & MH.

Wii ended up above 12 million consoles sold and PS3 above 10 millions.

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Wii U is still waiting for Zelda and Animal Crossing (and a possible 3D Mario).
NSMBU, SM3DW, MK8 & SSB all sold over 0.5 millions.

PS4 is waiting for FF, RE, MGS, GT, MH.
PES, GTA, Yakuza, COD & Warriors sold extremely bad in Japan.

OT: Both will sell extremely bad and will end upp almost the same, lower than 5 millions.



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BTW I would like to point out anime games. PS4 has most of the big anime games whereas Wii U is abandoned by most of these Japanese game makers. Naruto Ultimate Storm 4, Dragonball Xenoverse or One piece all have PS4 support, heck even Xbox and PC have these games support but Wii U lacks them (One piece unlimited world red is an exception). If Japanese developers ignores Wii U then the situation is certainly not in Wii U's favor. After 2015 PS4 will have lead against Wii U in Japan.



celador said:

PS4 LTD: 1.143.542

Wii U LTD: 2.226.797

PS4 with a strong start to the year. Software is looking far better than Wii U's and obviously being a year younger, Sony has more room to alter the price.

This was discussed some time ago, but things are looking better for PS4 now, and Wii U is stagnant.

What console will sell more this gen in Japan? And if you think it will be PS4, when will it overtake the Wii U?


PS4 will definitely sell more this gen in Japan. PS4 will have overtaken the Wii U this year.

PS4 has sold over 1.1M in it's 1st year on the market in Japan, Wii U only sold about 600K between the 8th of Feb this year and the 9th of last year. PS4 will sell at least double this year, compared to it's 1st full year on the market in Japan, simply based on the better software we currently know about, other games will likely be announced for Japan throughout this year.

By Feb 2016 PS4 PS4 will be at least at 3.4M, maybe closer to 4M by then, I think best case scenario the Wii U will sell maybe 800K between now and Feb 2016, putting it at just over 3M.

 

Looking towards the future I think PS4 could do at least 15M in Japan, although I wouldn't be shocked if it was closer to 20M by the end of the generation, Wii U may be at 5M.



Guitarguy said:
PS4 has been doubling(sometimes tripling) Wii U sales in Japan for sometime now. PS4 will outsell it quite easily despite the Wii U being on the market a year earlier.


You mean some time now being a month or 2? Wii U was solidly beating ps4 for quite the number of months last year you know.



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uran10 said:
Guitarguy said:
PS4 has been doubling(sometimes tripling) Wii U sales in Japan for sometime now. PS4 will outsell it quite easily despite the Wii U being on the market a year earlier.


You mean some time now being a month or 2? Wii U was solidly beating ps4 for quite the number of months last year you know.


That's right. "Some time" is nebulous and open to interpretation. I see this trend ongoing. The Wii U was outselling the PS4 in Japan for many months prior, I can't take that away from it, but the PS4 is finally gathering steam despite being out on the Japanese market 14 months less than the Wii U. The big Japanese titles have not even been released yet either. Just my opinion anyway. If the Wii U does sell better in Japan, great, they will deserve it because of the support they put into their console.



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Hiku said:
Materia-Blade said:

Nothing will turn into even a slightly different experience. Things wouldn't be changed or removed, mereley scaled (resolution, for the most part). And that's IF square want to push things, something they haven't done for a while in DQ.

Your shallow RAM comparison show little understanding of how things works. Wii U's RAM memory works as a whole with the edram.

"This is one of the reasons why developers don't want to bother porting their games to Wii U any more. Because the amount of time and money that goes into converting it for the Wii U from PS4/XBO just isn't worth it." I think everyone knows that's not true.

Oh it can if the game is designed in a way that you're supposed to have a certain amount of objects on the screen, and they're forced to remove some, it would be a different experience. And even effects and small details can impact the atmosphere greatly.  And no, you can't always just scale things down. If that were true, we wouldn't have different versions of games with different draw distance and amount of objects, enemies or effects shown on screen. But we certainly do, even among consoles with similar power.

Here are some examples. Not ones that neccisarily impact the experience, but examples of missing assets in the WiiU version, rather than just toned down/lowered resolution:






So even on top of lower resolution, less details and lighting, there's also waaaaay way less rain in the WiiU version than the PS4 version. It's not just toned down versions of the raindrops. They're simply not there. Nor is the effect of the rain bouncing on the pirate's head. And there are waaaay way less leaves, branches and twigs on the Wii U trees compared to the ones on PS4. And this is from a title that was designed from the ground up to suit both last gen and current gen. So the differences are not going to be significant. This problem becomes a lot bigger if a game is made purely for PS4 and XBO, and makes full use of their capabilities. Then it's not just going to be less vegetation or rain. And that's one reason why devs don't bother converting those games to WiiU, along with its install base.
Everyone knows that's not true? Actually that is what pretty much everyone cites as the reason for the missing WiiU versions of most games. Articles commonly state the same thing.
“So, these larger studios had a choice. Would they develop a port of an existing game to a console with limited capabilities and limited market penetration? Or put their teams to work on developing new features and concepts for the “real” next-gen consoles that were going to be launched that year? When you look at it this way, the choice isn’t that hard.”


I'd like to hear your theory though. Because third party support dropped drastically long before XBO passed WiiU in sales.
As for the RAM, no that's why I said nearly tenfold. GDDR5 outperforms GDDR3 by much more than 2:1.



So if I hadn't accounted for differences, I would have said more than twentyfold.

Your AC 4 example only proves my point. There's nothing missing besides rain, wich is because of lacking effort since many wii u games are superior than the ps4 version of AC 4.

Yes, everyone knows the real reason why games skips wii u (it's not hardware), even the ones who say otherwise.

you still don't seem to understand that Wii U's memory works with edram.



JustBeingReal said:


PS4 will definitely sell more this gen in Japan. PS4 will have overtaken the Wii U this year.

PS4 has sold over 1.1M in it's 1st year on the market in Japan, Wii U only sold about 600K between the 8th of Feb this year and the 9th of last year. PS4 will sell at least double this year, compared to it's 1st full year on the market in Japan, simply based on the better software we currently know about, other games will likely be announced for Japan throughout this year.

By Feb 2016 PS4 PS4 will be at least at 3.4M, maybe closer to 4M by then, I think best case scenario the Wii U will sell maybe 800K between now and Feb 2016, putting it at just over 3M.

 

Looking towards the future I think PS4 could do at least 15M in Japan, although I wouldn't be shocked if it was closer to 20M by the end of the generation, Wii U may be at 5M.

Wii U sold 1.5 million in 57 weeks, ps4 will end up between 1.150 and 1.200m in the same period.

You say wii u only sold 600k over the last year? so did ps4, if you remove the launch week numbers.

No, ps4 won't sell double of last year, maybe slightly more (700-900k), meaning nowhere near 3.4m.

Your final paragraph is the most impossible thing from your post, though. Ps4 should consider itself lucky if sales pick up enough steam to reach 5m ltd.



Materia-Blade said:
JustBeingReal said:


PS4 will definitely sell more this gen in Japan. PS4 will have overtaken the Wii U this year.

PS4 has sold over 1.1M in it's 1st year on the market in Japan, Wii U only sold about 600K between the 8th of Feb this year and the 9th of last year. PS4 will sell at least double this year, compared to it's 1st full year on the market in Japan, simply based on the better software we currently know about, other games will likely be announced for Japan throughout this year.

By Feb 2016 PS4 PS4 will be at least at 3.4M, maybe closer to 4M by then, I think best case scenario the Wii U will sell maybe 800K between now and Feb 2016, putting it at just over 3M.

 

Looking towards the future I think PS4 could do at least 15M in Japan, although I wouldn't be shocked if it was closer to 20M by the end of the generation, Wii U may be at 5M.

Wii U sold 1.5 million in 57 weeks, ps4 will end up between 1.150 and 1.200m in the same period.

You say wii u only sold 600k over the last year? so did ps4, if you remove the launch week numbers.

No, ps4 won't sell double of last year, maybe slightly more (700-900k), meaning nowhere near 3.4m.

Your final paragraph is the most impossible thing from your post, though. Ps4 should consider itself lucky if sales pick up enough steam to reach 5m ltd.

Technically Wii U sold 1.6M in it's first 57 weeks, but PS4 hasn't been on sale in Japan for 57 weeks, it came out on the 22nd of Feb over there, so it's currently had 51 weeks and 6 days, we only have VG Chartz numbers for 51 weeks and it's already at 1.1M. Like it or not the PS4's launch numbers count, but even if we deduct the launch week, it still sold 800K across 50 weeks, so 200K more than Wii U did last year, with PS4 having no big Japanese focused releases, in the next few weeks that's all set to change, leading up to the 57th week of release, PS4 has quite a few Japanese focused releases, like Bloodborne, Dragon Ball, Dynasty Warriors, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Final Fantasy Type O, Bladestorm, the combined effect of all of that will not cause sales to skyrocket in Japan, if you think that's not.

 

Later this year there's a lot more big Japanese focused games, I can list them, but we all know what they are, yes PS4 will easily sell double the consoles in it's second year on the market in Japan, compared to the 1st. 3.4M is going to be easy for PS4 by the end of 2015, let alone by Feb 22nd 2016. it's actually way more likely that PS4 will hit 4 by that time next year, especially with all of the games coming out over there.

PS4 will destroy PS3's numbers when it actually has games the Japanese market wants, the system only selling 5M in it's life over there is not happening, not when it sells over a million in it's 1st year, with basically no games for that market.

 

The first year of releases in Japan were not great at all, this year is very different and we haven't been told everything that's coming yet, there's also the very likely matter of a price cut happening, which would have an enormous effect in Japan on just how many units the system will sell.



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JustBeingReal said:
Materia-Blade said:

Wii U sold 1.5 million in 57 weeks, ps4 will end up between 1.150 and 1.200m in the same period.

You say wii u only sold 600k over the last year? so did ps4, if you remove the launch week numbers.

No, ps4 won't sell double of last year, maybe slightly more (700-900k), meaning nowhere near 3.4m.

Your final paragraph is the most impossible thing from your post, though. Ps4 should consider itself lucky if sales pick up enough steam to reach 5m ltd.

 

Technically Wii U sold 1.6M in it's first 57 weeks, but PS4 hasn't been on sale in Japan for 57 weeks, it came out on the 22nd of Feb over there, so it's currently had 51 weeks and 6 days, we only have VG Chartz numbers for 51 weeks and it's already at 1.1M. Like it or not the PS4's launch numbers count, but even if we deduct the launch week, it still sold 800K across 50 weeks, so 200K more than Wii U did last year, with PS4 having no big Japanese focused releases, in the next few weeks that's all set to change, leading up to the 57th week of release, PS4 has quite a few Japanese focused releases, like Bloodborne, Dragon Ball, Dynasty Warriors, Resident Evil Revelations 2, Final Fantasy Type O, Bladestorm, the combined effect of all of that will not cause sales to skyrocket in Japan, if you think that's not.

 

Later this year there's a lot more big Japanese focused games, I can list them, but we all know what they are, yes PS4 will easily sell double the consoles in it's second year on the market in Japan, compared to the 1st. 3.4M is going to be easy for PS4 by the end of 2015, let alone by Feb 22nd 2016. it's actually way more likely that PS4 will hit 4 by that time next year, especially with all of the games coming out over there.

PS4 will destroy PS3's numbers when it actually has games the Japanese market wants, the system only selling 5M in it's life over there is not happening, not when it sells over a million in it's 1st year, with basically no games for that market.

 

The first year of releases in Japan were not great at all, this year is very different and we haven't been told everything that's coming yet, there's also the very likely matter of a price cut happening, which would have an enormous effect in Japan on just how many units the system will sell.

"it still sold 800K across 50 weeks, so 200K more than Wii U did last year"

It will have sold around 1.2-1.3m in 57 weeks, 300-400k less than wii u in the same period. It's also bellow ps3.

You can say the same about wii u not having many japan centric games. It has a few big-huge games and that's why it is so ahead of ps4 (ltd and aligned). Wii U also has prospects for selling better than last year, depending on how well it's big 2015 titles are received.

No need to discuss the rest. You are severely overestimating ps4 2015 and ltd sales for japan.