You've just had to cherry pick from your own post to help make your point, you use LBP as your primary example when it must have been clear I was particularly alluding to this gen. As for the other examples that you have thrown in, how did they sell on Nintendo's console? Rayman, Marvel, where do they feature in Nintendo's top selling titles? What about the PS4 games in the OP? Calling Minecraft 'kiddie' is a stretch at best and the other two were still reviewed significantly lower the the flagship Nintendo titles thus far this gen. That alone could be enough reason to explain why they haven't sold that well. It's not proof that there isn't a market for kiddie games on Sony consoles and it's certainly not proof that there's no market for Nintendo games on Sony consoles.

Another significant issue with attempting to draw parallel's between these titles that have been arbitrarily designated 'kiddie' is that Nintendo's kiddie titles are first party, whereas the majority of Sony's are not.  Look for the best rated and top selling games on any console and first party games are always heavily represented.

The most common complaint you hear about Nintendo games from non Nintendo console owners is, "I wish it was on console X, it's a great game but I'm not buying a system for 1-2 great games." Now while that's no guarantee of sales it raises the possibility that there exists an untapped market for some Nintendo games amongst the Nintendo non-faithful.

They would make a killing because given the install base they have always made a killing. Mario, Zelda, Animal Crossing, Smash Bros, Pokemon, Mario Kart. Increase the install base and you will increase the sales, by how much is anyone's guess.  Increase the install base by 4-5 fold and what do you think will happen? It's not going to increase sales 4-5 fold but it's bound to have a big impact.

In the end it's all supposition, but I'm not quite sure why you believe yours to be so much more reliable than mine or anyone else's. We've never actually seen how well a Mario 'kiddie' game could sell on a non-Nintendo and while we can attempt to draw parallels and analogies, it's naive to think that it allows us to draw any solid conclusions on either side of the debate.

Anyway, no more debating for me tonight, past bedtime :)

None of their games would sell as much as CoD or FIFA on the twins, that's for sure. Just look at sega, even with nintendo giving them a hand they wouldn't get themselves, their IPs all went downhill and now they're forced to sell every half decent software they have on Steam, which makes some money but only because "we PC gamers didn't get this stuff before" effect, like Ys or hyperdimension neptunia got, but Steam wouldn't be able to keep a company this big alive, or Valve would have 30000 employees, not 300.

Tbh I think it makes much more sense for the other two to go 3rd party, it means Nintendo can be Nintendo without having to be someone's port bitch and the other two can merge with PC and alls right with the world.

But that would make too much sense though.

sega made a lot of bad games.   and mk could sell more than one year of cod.

If Nintendo went 3rd party, I wouldn't have to contend with their sucky hardware and lack of now standard system level services (steam, xbo, ps4) like notifications, friend list invite/join, voice party, video capture/share, etc

I also wont have to contend with crappy gimmick controls like needing to use Gamepad in Pikmin 3 or lack of Headset support when playing with Pro Controller.

Bottom line, the Nintendo games I enjoy most work perfectly without any of their gimmick controls and would work just as well (if not better) on competing console hardware. If Nintendo were 3rd party, all it would do is remove the barrier of having to buy Nintendo hardware to play Nintendo games.

I hate Nintendo hardware, but I like Nintendo games (some, not all. I am not a Nintendo die hard that buys all of Nintendo crap just because it Nintendo).

We'll never know ;)

Nintendo needs to go mobile, and do it ASAP. Animal Crossing, Pokemon, and Mario Kart would be the top selling mobile games if Nintendo does it. Seriously, Nintendo games have CROSS APPEAL. They appeal to ALL demographics - women, older people, different ethnicities. Every girl I talk to likes Nintendo.

Seriously they need to do it THIS YEAR!

Yes, in neverland

Doesn't seem like much faith here in Nintendo games. Are people gonna just stop buying Ninty games because they're on another company's platform? Sounds like if Nintendo was put in direct competition with Sony/MS 1st & 2nd party and multiplats, Nintendo games wouldn't sell the same as they are now somehow. I don't see it that way at all.

I love nintendo games but on their own consoles. What if sony and microsoft went 3rd party? Oh wait they dont have first party games jajaja