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Intrinsic on 24 February 2015
Skullwaker said:

Here's what I think: people that are not, and never will be, interested in Nintendo products are way too passionate about their financial state and the Wii U's woes.

The Wii U was probably the worst thing Nintendo could've done to follow up the Wii with. We get it. It had a shitty name, shitty marketing, mediocre launch lineup, the list goes on. But does this really need to be discussed at all times?

I'm just saying. If I wasn't a fan of Nintendo, you surely wouldn't see me talking about them so often.

(just a general response to people who are hellbent on wanting Nintendo to perish)

So basically you are saying that no one should talk about the state Nintendo is in? Well the same way you think only people that want Nintendo to perish are the ones talking about Nintendo is the same way that I can say only die hard fanatical fans of Nintendo that seem content to buying their heads in the sand have a problem with people talking about Nintendo now.

it's open season, when the PS3 blundered it's way into the last gen have you forgotten how people talked about it? 

Besides, I doubt there is one person in this thread that has said they want Nintendo to fail, everything so far seems like objective criticism. And as long as Nintendo makes no effort to right their ship then expect people to keep talking about them. Unfortunately, said ship can't be out right this generation and if Nintendo keeps being stubborn I fear things will only get much worse for them.

What I actually find most interesting in this thread is the amount of people that really believe that better marketing and a better name are the biggest problems with the WiiU. I don't know who is more out of touch, Nintendo management or Nintendo fans. 



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Intrinsic on 24 February 2015
Raze said:
Nintendo's problem is that they make games that require thought in a market dominated by people who don't want to think.

Top 3 best selling Wii games

  1. Wii sports
  2. Mario Cart Wii 
  3. Wii sports resort
going by your post, is it safe to say that if the problem is how much thought is required to play the games then we could instead say the problem is that Nintendo makes games for people that doesn't like to think? actually I think your onto something, being that the Nintendo franchises that requires the most amount of thought (Zelda/metroid) doesn't even make the top 32 of the all-time Nintendo  games best selling list.  Across every Nintendo platform. 


Intrinsic on 24 February 2015
RolStoppable said:

If you actually cared, you would know the answer.

Personalizing discussions seems to be very common with minty fans. yeah, just ignore everything I say and find a way to personalize it. Honestly, I don't care what happens to Nintendo. If they float or sink. I do care what happens to Zelda though, cause it's right up there with mgs as my all time best franchise. 

But I have never attacked any Nintendo game, but I will attack Nintendo cause they keep preventing me from buying their consoles. And before I came into this thread, I always felt the problem was management, but now I realize the fans are just as bad. They let Nintendo management get off too easy. 

If you are going to talk to me, then pls keep to what I've said, point out something I'm saying that you don't agree with and refrain from making it about me as a person instead. That OK with you? 



Soundwave on 24 February 2015

Bad marketing, bad system launches, bad third party relationships, bad developer outreach, bad hardware design decisions, bad consumer perception, bad software lineups, and a constant stream of new bad decision making with each console ... these are just symptoms.

Nintendo's management is the disease that's at the root of these symptoms. Yes, marketing is one problem, but it's just a symptom of a far bigger problem.

You can't address the symptoms until you address the disease ultimately.

I think really (unfortunately) that's what it does boil down to.



Metallox on 24 February 2015
IIIIITHE1IIIII said:
TheGoldenBoy said:

Then why does the 3DS sell well?


A 3DS is easier to hide.

LMFAO



My bet with The_Liquid_Laser: I think the Switch won't surpass the PS2 as the best selling system of all time. If it does, I'll play a game of a list that The_Liquid_Laser will provide, I will have to play it for 50 hours or complete it, whatever comes first. 

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Raze on 24 February 2015
oniyide said:
Raze said:
Nintendo's problem is that they make games that require thought in a market dominated by people who don't want to think.


this made me lol, what a funny statement


Tosh.O, enough said. =p



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Raze on 25 February 2015
dharh said:
Raze said:
Nintendo's problem is that they make games that require thought in a market dominated by people who don't want to think.


That is complete cat crap.


Or the trtuh. Look at what sells, the same regurgitated stuff, more of the same, throw more slop into the trough, they'll eat it up. No one stops to say "hey we've played this FPS game 5 times before, and nearly nothing is changing". Instead it's "oh look the new Madden, with a sligthly different roster, take my money!" , "yay, a new GTA, so I can run around and randomly destroy things and kill people for fun!"

Mind you, I'm talking about gamers, not what we would call "casual" gamers, they fall under that "simple is best" category too though.



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oniyide on 25 February 2015
Raze said:
dharh said:


That is complete cat crap.


Or the trtuh. Look at what sells, the same regurgitated stuff, more of the same, throw more slop into the trough, they'll eat it up. No one stops to say "hey we've played this FPS game 5 times before, and nearly nothing is changing". Instead it's "oh look the new Madden, with a sligthly different roster, take my money!" , "yay, a new GTA, so I can run around and randomly destroy things and kill people for fun!"

Mind you, I'm talking about gamers, not what we would call "casual" gamers, they fall under that "simple is best" category too though.


how is that different than the 20th 2d Mario game? Its not like there newer IPs are doing gangbusters either



jmorris724 on 25 February 2015

mario has never been an annual franchise. spinoffs, yeah, but they don't come out with the same thing year after year and stick a different label on it.



dharh on 25 February 2015
Raze said:
dharh said:


That is complete cat crap.


Or the trtuh. Look at what sells, the same regurgitated stuff, more of the same, throw more slop into the trough, they'll eat it up. No one stops to say "hey we've played this FPS game 5 times before, and nearly nothing is changing". Instead it's "oh look the new Madden, with a sligthly different roster, take my money!" , "yay, a new GTA, so I can run around and randomly destroy things and kill people for fun!"

Mind you, I'm talking about gamers, not what we would call "casual" gamers, they fall under that "simple is best" category too though.

My point wasn't about annual games, rehashes, or whatever. 

Nintendo's problem is that they make games that require thought in a market dominated by people who don't want to think.

The idea that Nintedo games are in any way intellectually demanding is laughable. They do _not_ require thought. They are games for "Everyone".

Rehashes, the same game with the slightly shinier coat, whatever have nothing at all to do with the sophistication of the underlying game itself.

The original comment itself is cat crap. If you want to make a different argument that Nintendo games evolve more per iteration than a game like COD or GTA, or that they do more new IP, then fine. But I daresay there is much more sophistication in a game like COD or GTA than any Mario game. It's just the way it is, its not even bad or good imo.



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