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Great chance Mass Market greatly disagrees from critics and Nintendo fans on how good Nintendo games are and preffer Sony or MS as hard to understand for them as it may be.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Great chance Mass Market greatly disagrees from critics and Nintendo fans on how good Nintendo games are and preffer Sony or MS as hard to understand for them as it may be.

Great chance that the mass market hasn't tried Nintendo games because of lacklustre marketing on Nintendo's part or because of bias on their part (or both).

Nintendo has quite a few big franchises that are about 30 years old and still very popular today. Do you think they would still exist today if their quality was substandard?

There's a little blue hedgehog that struggles to sell 500k copies of his games for a new entry in his franchise.



WhiteEaglePL said:

The overhyped bad quality/unexpecdly not high-enough quality games DO NOT flop or fail or bomb BECAUSE they are over hyped and over advertised. Watch, Order will sell 3m+

 

I think the failure of Wii U is due to Nintendo's failure making it and Nintendo's failure at maintaing a fan base. Because if someone is a PS fan(especially if for more than 1 gen), they would probably buy the next PS and desirability by mass is already great before release, compared to the teeny tiny quickly-declining population of Nintendo fans & Kids who don't play games designed for 16+ year olds just to fit in and play with most of thier friends which started doing that already because of slightly older kids playing the same thing. No, seriouslly, primary school children of year 4 play the same things as secondary year 11 children here in the UK dump.

This is the truth.
And stupid sells, like Flappy Bird and a minority of stuff on PS/XB. The Xbox is in between PS & N.

I live in the UK too, and i really feel the same thing too, where primary and secondary school kids play Call Of Duty because its 'The Cool Thing' to do, and almost every boy in my year (Year 10) plays those kinds of games, which really makes me question the future of gaming because if the majority of the gaming community is going to buy the same rehashed are overhyped games and be satisfied with it, because in the end if companies can make money on it that is the only thing they will make, and even worse is that even right now I only know about 2 people in my YEAR who owns a Wii U, or plays something over than the games dark and grey FPS shooters and things like that, which means that already the UK has been taken over by this frenzy.  But honestly, its a shame :(

I really hope Nintendo can turn this around so (This might sound contradictory) 3rd parties will publish those games on their next console so people can realize that FPS shooters or dark and 16+/18+ games are not the only games on the market and other games are as good/better.



 

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Shadow1980 said:
PS4 has all the major third-party games. The PlayStation brand is strong enough to where it only needs to be put in a better position than its primary competition (Xbox) and it will dominate. The PS3 already did better on a launch-aligned basis than the 360 despite starting off with a significantly higher price point and an arguably inferior online service. With the PS4 having a $100 lower price at launch, PSN has improved to be an equal to XBL, and Sony doing an overall better job with marketing and messaging (do we need to go over the events of spring 2013 again?), it was a foregone conclusion that the PS4 would handily win this generation.

The Wii U lacks major third-party games. Without said games, then like the Wii it must rely on its gimmick as the primary selling point of the system. The touchscreen gamepad was a much tougher sell than the Wii Remote was, and Nintendo failed at marketing it properly. Ergo, the Wii U will appeal mostly to core Nintendo fans.

Exclusives aren't as big of a big deal these days. Back in the 80s & 90s, the vast majority of games were exclusives. Now the PS4 and XBO share at least 90% of the same games, and those multiplatform titles are typically what sells the most. Those are the games the majority of gamers demand the most.


Another great reason why I call this article into question. This isn't to say exclusives shouldn't be great, but multi-plats are better in terms of profit for both Sony and Microsoft.



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Samus Aran said:
DonFerrari said:
Great chance Mass Market greatly disagrees from critics and Nintendo fans on how good Nintendo games are and preffer Sony or MS as hard to understand for them as it may be.

Great chance that the mass market hasn't tried Nintendo games because of lacklustre marketing on Nintendo's part or because of bias on their part (or both).

Nintendo has quite a few big franchises that are about 30 years old and still very popular today. Do you think they would still exist today if their quality was substandard?

There's a little blue hedgehog that struggles to sell 500k copies of his games for a new entry in his franchise.


So a franchise with over 30 years lack sales because marketing? Have it sold health numbers for all this time while being unknow?? Your answer defeats itself.

 

And I didn't say it lacks quality. I Said public could disagree with you, critics and other Nintendo fans and you can't prove they wrong or with ill intents. Just different tastes.

 

I have all Nintendo consoles from nes to Wii, Plus DS and 3DS. Have played most of their flagship games and know when the next games will release. Even so I won't bother buying WiiU for quite some time. A lot of Nintendo games bore me while I deeply appreciate a lot of games available on PS. If I were to choose between gran turismo or the whole Nintendo catalogue I would pick gt.

 

Why do you think that besides Wii Nintendo consoles have been in constant decline? Because the whole world hates Nintendo are wrong or maybe they value different things than you and Nintendo? Maybe for them quality isn't being bug free (which ninty isn't 100%) or fun isn't jumping on enemies heads or good artistic Vision/direction isn't cartooney graphics. None of those can be proved right or wrong, what we know is that in home consoles Nintendo pleases the market the littlest of the 3 besides the Wii that got a different Market that don't seem to be coming for a second round.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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DonFerrari said:
Samus Aran said:

Great chance that the mass market hasn't tried Nintendo games because of lacklustre marketing on Nintendo's part or because of bias on their part (or both).

Nintendo has quite a few big franchises that are about 30 years old and still very popular today. Do you think they would still exist today if their quality was substandard?

There's a little blue hedgehog that struggles to sell 500k copies of his games for a new entry in his franchise.


So a franchise with over 30 years lack sales because marketing? Have it sold health numbers for all this time while being unknow?? Your answer defeats itself.

 

And I didn't say it lacks quality. I Said public could disagree with you, critics and other Nintendo fans and you can't prove they wrong or with ill intents. Just different tastes.

 

I have all Nintendo consoles from nes to Wii, Plus DS and 3DS. Have played most of their flagship games and know when the next games will release. Even so I won't bother buying WiiU for quite some time. A lot of Nintendo games bore me while I deeply appreciate a lot of games available on PS. If I were to choose between gran turismo or the whole Nintendo catalogue I would pick gt.

 

Why do you think that besides Wii Nintendo consoles have been in constant decline? Because the whole world hates Nintendo are wrong or maybe they value different things than you and Nintendo? Maybe for them quality isn't being bug free (which ninty isn't 100%) or fun isn't jumping on enemies heads or good artistic Vision/direction isn't cartooney graphics. None of those can be proved right or wrong, what we know is that in home consoles Nintendo pleases the market the littlest of the 3 besides the Wii that got a different Market that don't seem to be coming for a second round.

Nintendo's franchises sell well with Nintendo fans, outside of that a lot of people haven't tried them. Plenty of gamers out there who don't want to give Nintendo a fair chance because they think it's for kiddies.

N64 used cartridges instead of cd and they treated third parties like shit: decline

GC used mini-cd instead of dvd: decline

It has nothing to do with the quality of their first party games.

You conveniently ignore Nintendo's handhelds: GBA > GB, DS > GBA

The rest of your post isn't worth responding to, so I'll leave it at that.



Samus Aran said:
DonFerrari said:
Great chance Mass Market greatly disagrees from critics and Nintendo fans on how good Nintendo games are and preffer Sony or MS as hard to understand for them as it may be.

Great chance that the mass market hasn't tried Nintendo games because of lacklustre marketing on Nintendo's part or because of bias on their part (or both).

Nintendo has quite a few big franchises that are about 30 years old and still very popular today. Do you think they would still exist today if their quality was substandard?

There's a little blue hedgehog that struggles to sell 500k copies of his games for a new entry in his franchise.

oh please that blue hedgehog sells on average about 1mil. Hell the horrible SOnic 06 sold 1 mil just on PS3 alone. The last two games are flopping because 1. they suck 2 they are tied to a system that itself is flopping



oniyide said:
Samus Aran said:

Great chance that the mass market hasn't tried Nintendo games because of lacklustre marketing on Nintendo's part or because of bias on their part (or both).

Nintendo has quite a few big franchises that are about 30 years old and still very popular today. Do you think they would still exist today if their quality was substandard?

There's a little blue hedgehog that struggles to sell 500k copies of his games for a new entry in his franchise.

oh please that blue hedgehog sells on average about 1mil. Hell the horrible SOnic 06 sold 1 mil just on PS3 alone. The last two games are flopping because 1. they suck 2 they are tied to a system that itself is flopping

You heard it here first, the 3DS is a flop.

And yeah, the games suck, that's the point I was making LOL.



Lawlight said:
Maybe not everyone thinks that the Nintendo games are quality?

quality isnt a thing that depends on your taste.   and if you dont think nintendo games are high quality games than you never played one-



I hate to say it, but I don't think a Nintendo console will sell more than 20 million units ever again, which is part of the reason why I suspect their next console isn't really a console (just a "made for TV" variation of their handheld that plays the same games).

Not without some miracle gimmick, they're never going to get past 20 million just off their core franchises.

Nintendo are just too far out of touch and aren't considered "cool" enough, and in today's market with today's kids/teenagers, that's pretty much an impossible mountain to climb.

They'll likely never be a big force in the console industry again. Which is kind of sad, but it is what it is.