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binary solo on 21 February 2015

Shit! I just ordered The Order. I could not resist being in with the chance to win a The Order:1886 pewter tankard or a Sir Galahad sackboy plushie keyring. What a sucker I am because I never win these things. I always planned to buy the game, but now I've bought it for more than I intended because of this cunning inducement.



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binary solo on 21 February 2015
OttoniBastos said:

Guys is it true that The order already sold/shipped almost 4 million copies? I'm not finding any thread about it but people on /v/ are sharing this:

Any confirmation?


If true, that's the first shipment to retailers. Who knows how long that will take to sell through. I guess we'll see whether it hits the bargain bin within a few months. That will tell us whether retailers stupidly over ordered, or if it is selling at a decent rate.

However I couldn't see that particular tweet on Andrea Pessino's twitter page, so I think it's fake.



“The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell

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tokilamockingbrd on 21 February 2015
binary solo said:
OttoniBastos said:

Guys is it true that The order already sold/shipped almost 4 million copies? I'm not finding any thread about it but people on /v/ are sharing this:

Any confirmation?


If true, that's the first shipment to retailers. Who knows how long that will take to sell through. I guess we'll see whether it hits the bargain bin within a few months. That will tell us whether retailers stupidly over ordered, or if it is selling at a decent rate.

However I couldn't see that particular tweet on Andrea Pessino's twitter page, so I think it's fake.

I hope that is true. I so want another and I am not even done. As game this is a 7/10. As a form of entertainment this game off the charts. Yes as a game compare to great games it is not amazing (Solid is the word I would use). As a form of entertainment compare other forms of entertainment it is a 10/10.



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mr_capello on 21 February 2015
RolStoppable said:
tokilamockingbrd said:

To be honest its hard for me to tell when your trolling or not. Back in the day you were way more obvious when you did it. Much more subtle these days.

1. What % of the game sales do you think they take, I spitballed 50% not idea if that is accurate. And in this case it does not matter what sony takes because they invested in the game so they would be collecting the part of the budget they spent.

2. I have not seen the budget for this game, but I think Ryse would be a good comparison- simililar length similiar graphics. We could even use TLOU budget and work backwords from that (no way this cost more than TLOU).

Eh, I think you have trouble noticing because you are a bit emotionally invested in the whole The Order 1886 thing.

1. I am not sure about the exact percentage, but 50% isn't that bad for a ballpark number, probably a bit too low. For digital copies that go for the same price as boxed copies, the margin is obviously higher because there's no retailer cut.

2. I can't give any really good estimates for the overall budget (development + marketing) because these things can wildly differ for AAA games. The one thing I am sure about is that it's highly unlikely that 1m will be a satisfying result for Sony, because the break-even points had already risen to that mark early in the seventh generation and they kept increasing from there.

Actually, there's another thing I am quite sure about, and that is that The Order 1886 did probably cost more to make than The Last of Us. As far as I know, Ready at Dawn created their engine from scratch while Naughty Dog had already a framework thanks to their Uncharted games on top of having more experience with titles of such a scale, meaning that ND could achieve a better result in less time. Higher efficiency translates to lower costs.


no way they are getting 50% of a 60$ game.  10% to 20% if they are lucky. 

michael pachter explained it once (I know pachter, but he should have a better idea of this than we do)

he broke it down to the publisher, sony for releasing the game on their platform ,distribution , marketing , seller and the developer.  those are all the people who get a piece of the pie. 

might be that they are getting a better deal because sony is the platform holder and the publisher but pachter said that from a 60$ the developer normally sees 10$.

which sounds realistic if you for example compare it to the music industry where the artist gets around 3$ from a 15$ cd sale 

 

all that in mind I guess if they are getting somewhere in the ballpark of breaking even they will produce a sequel just to make use of everything they already created.



tokilamockingbrd on 21 February 2015
mr_capello said:
RolStoppable said:

Eh, I think you have trouble noticing because you are a bit emotionally invested in the whole The Order 1886 thing.

1. I am not sure about the exact percentage, but 50% isn't that bad for a ballpark number, probably a bit too low. For digital copies that go for the same price as boxed copies, the margin is obviously higher because there's no retailer cut.

2. I can't give any really good estimates for the overall budget (development + marketing) because these things can wildly differ for AAA games. The one thing I am sure about is that it's highly unlikely that 1m will be a satisfying result for Sony, because the break-even points had already risen to that mark early in the seventh generation and they kept increasing from there.

Actually, there's another thing I am quite sure about, and that is that The Order 1886 did probably cost more to make than The Last of Us. As far as I know, Ready at Dawn created their engine from scratch while Naughty Dog had already a framework thanks to their Uncharted games on top of having more experience with titles of such a scale, meaning that ND could achieve a better result in less time. Higher efficiency translates to lower costs.


no way they are getting 50% of a 60$ game.  10% to 20% if they are lucky. 

michael pachter explained it once (I know pachter, but he should have a better idea of this than we do)

he broke it down to the publisher, sony for releasing the game on their platform ,distribution , marketing , seller and the developer.  those are all the people who get a piece of the pie. 

might be that they are getting a better deal because sony is the platform holder and the publisher but pachter said that from a 60$ the developer normally sees 10$.

which sounds realistic if you for example compare it to the music industry where the artist gets around 3$ from a 15$ cd sale 

 

all that in mind I guess if they are getting somewhere in the ballpark of breaking even they will produce a sequel just to make use of everything they already created.

in this case that might be fair. from what I understand Sony invested alot in this game.



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AnthonyW86 on 21 February 2015
binary solo said:
OttoniBastos said:

Guys is it true that The order already sold/shipped almost 4 million copies? I'm not finding any thread about it but people on /v/ are sharing this:

Any confirmation?


If true, that's the first shipment to retailers. Who knows how long that will take to sell through. I guess we'll see whether it hits the bargain bin within a few months. That will tell us whether retailers stupidly over ordered, or if it is selling at a decent rate.

However I couldn't see that particular tweet on Andrea Pessino's twitter page, so I think it's fake.


On the other hand this doesn't include digital sales. I expect the game to still sell really well despite the reviews. Only thing that could really stand in the way is early flooding of this game on the used games market, since ut has no multiplayer.



raidinglarastomb on 21 February 2015

From what I gather it probably deserves a spin off, e.g same kinda story just with more action and far better gameplay. I honestly don't know what is wrong with game developers . Do they not realise we hate QTE.



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gustave154 on 21 February 2015

i hope they make another game to be honest. that graphics engine man.... so good



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Farsala on 21 February 2015

I think sales will be good enough for a sequel. But the studio themselves and Sony might not like that idea, and thus cut them short of a sequel. Why?

The studio may be disheartened by the bad press and decide that a different franchise is the way to go.
Sony might put them back on minor games, because they succeeded very well there.



GTAexpert on 21 February 2015
Farsala said:
I think sales will be good enough for a sequel. But the studio themselves and Sony might not like that idea, and thus cut them short of a sequel. Why?

The studio may be disheartened by the bad press and decide that a different franchise is the way to go.
Sony might put them back on minor games, because they succeeded very well there.

There games weren't minor. They were AAA. Being PSP games doesn't make them minor as they play as good as console games.