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Reasonable on 08 March 2008
libellule said:
BengaBenga said:
libellule: Glad we agree.

I know GTA4 comes to PS3, but you must agree that, even if it will sell more on PS3 ww, it will sell about 5 million at least on 360, which makes it a very big game on 360. It will also sell 360 consoles, again maybe not as much as PS3's, but every 360 sold with GTA4 is a big win for Microsoft, since this proofs that PS2 fans are not per se loyal to a brand.

 ==> well, MS is making a price drop and has secured a partial exclusivity on GTA4.

I believe they expect to do more than just match the PS3 sales.

In fact, the question for the PS2 crowd is :

Cheaper console (Arcade 199 euros !!) + full GTA4 

VS 

Sony brandname + other famous console games (MGS4+GT5pro)


If by 'full GTA4' you mean DLC then isn't the Arcade a terrible choice?  Won't you need a HDD for the DLC?

Otherwise GTA4 on 360 Arcade will be identical to PS3 (and in fact as PS3 is to get some DLC as well it would be arguably inferior as without HDD upgrade the Arcade would be locked out from the DLC).

Is this true?  I don't know for sure on Arcade but my understanding was it had no HDD and therefore was for offline / no DLC only.



Try to be reasonable... its easier than you think...

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makingmusic476 on 08 March 2008
starcraft said:
Torillian said:
So are you counting Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea III as SRPG's and not RPG's. That seems like a strange idea to me.

On the other hand you could be debating their quality....which I would like to hear if possible. Regardless the rest of your post seems plausible.

added after a thought: I enjoyed Folklore alot....so I disagree in no "good" RPG's being on the PS3 now.

My apologies, I forgot about Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea. They should be of reasonable quality. I also forgot the Xbox 360 exclusive Tales. I still think in numbers and quality the Xbox 360's RPG outfit rips the PS3's a new one. That will continue until after FFXIII. About a year after that title the PS3 wil start to get a number of JRPG's from development houses waiting for FFXIII to expand to consoles JRPG userbase.

I'm sorry but the quality of Folklore just isn't comparable to Mass Effect, Two Worlds, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata or Lair:)


Eternal Sonata is also being ported to the ps3 this year with extra content, including two extra playable characters, a clothing system, and a more fleshed out story.

Actually, it's one of my most anticipated games this year. The entire concept really intrigues me, and the art style is beautiful.



CaptainPrefrences on 08 March 2008
libellule said:
BengaBenga said:
libellule: Glad we agree.

I know GTA4 comes to PS3, but you must agree that, even if it will sell more on PS3 ww, it will sell about 5 million at least on 360, which makes it a very big game on 360. It will also sell 360 consoles, again maybe not as much as PS3's, but every 360 sold with GTA4 is a big win for Microsoft, since this proofs that PS2 fans are not per se loyal to a brand.

==> well, MS is making a price drop and has secured a partial exclusivity on GTA4.

I believe they expect to do more than just match the PS3 sales.

In fact, the question for the PS2 crowd is :

Cheaper console (Arcade 199 euros !!) + full GTA4

VS

Sony brandname + other famous console games (MGS4+GT5pro)


 yes but anyone qwho has common sense about video games wouldnt buy the aracade with no hdd just for gtaiv, specially ps2 owners.

 no hdd means you cant save games (i think aracde xcomes with 256mg card? still thats nothing) or get the :full" gta expirience on the 360. it also means no xbox live or that perfect "dlc"



Chubear on 08 March 2008
Sullla said:
Chubear said:
Come on! It's not that hard to see people, sheez!

The PS3 will out sell the 360 in WW total sales by the end of March 2009 - easy.

The PSP will significantly lessen the gap with the DS by the end of their respective production cycles to a tone of btw [55-60%(DS) : 40-45% (PSP)] market share.
This is not that hard to see especially now that there's enough data to extrapolate a pattern from and it's much much easier to see now than a year ago.

You're being sarcastic here, right? If not, that's one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this website in a long time.


lol, OK, I'll PM you when it happens. Ofcourse you'll come out with some ridiculous reason to try and justify why what I stated actually happened but none-the-less it would have happened.

 



makingmusic476 on 08 March 2008
libellule said:
BengaBenga said:
libellule: Glad we agree.

I know GTA4 comes to PS3, but you must agree that, even if it will sell more on PS3 ww, it will sell about 5 million at least on 360, which makes it a very big game on 360. It will also sell 360 consoles, again maybe not as much as PS3's, but every 360 sold with GTA4 is a big win for Microsoft, since this proofs that PS2 fans are not per se loyal to a brand.

==> well, MS is making a price drop and has secured a partial exclusivity on GTA4.

I believe they expect to do more than just match the PS3 sales.

In fact, the question for the PS2 crowd is :

Cheaper console (Arcade 199 euros !!) + full GTA4

VS

Sony brandname + other famous console games (MGS4+GT5pro)


 This part contradicts itself.  You can't get the "full" version of GTAIV without an HDD.



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misterd on 08 March 2008

AT the current rate, it'd take a few years. But the current rate won't be the contnuing rate, and there are two many variables to make an accurate prediction. The soonest it could happen would be 2009, and that's assuming everything breaks Sony's way over the next 18 months, and MS does little or nothing to effectively respond. An unforseen hit title, a steeper than expected price cut, and MS could stay in the lead until 2010, at which point the gaming community will be too focused on the NeXBox to care when the PS3 passes it.



shams on 08 March 2008
Sullla said:
Chubear said:
Come on! It's not that hard to see people, sheez!

The PS3 will out sell the 360 in WW total sales by the end of March 2009 - easy.

The PSP will significantly lessen the gap with the DS by the end of their respective production cycles to a tone of btw [55-60%(DS) : 40-45% (PSP)] market share.
This is not that hard to see especially now that there's enough data to extrapolate a pattern from and it's much much easier to see now than a year ago.

You're being sarcastic here, right? If not, that's one of the dumbest things I've seen posted on this website in a long time.

I'm sure its sarcasm. Considering that the DS is still maintaining its 2:1 selling ratio - and has yet to receive the next hardware iteration or any form of price cut... the PSP won't be getting much closer than it is at the moment.

The DS spikes are getting larger - the PSP ones are roughly the same:

http://vgchartz.com/hwcomps.php?cons1=PSP&reg1=All&cons2=DS&reg2=All&cons3=Wii&reg3=All&start=38851&end=39509

...

For the PSP to end up with a marketshare of 45%... the DS minimum would be around 120m,  meaining the PSP would end up around 100m. The PSP would need to sell 70m units in the same time the DS sells 50m. Not the most likely event.



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starcraft on 08 March 2008
Magnific0 said:
@starcraft... I'm sure Eternal Sonata, Blue Dragon and Lost Odyssey have moved lots of 360s (especially LO) /sarcasm
 

Blue Dragon has probably moved 100,000.  It moved 80,000 in bundles in Japan alone.

As for the West.  Right now if you want to play JRPG's (or any RPG's), you can only do so in reasonable quantity and quality on the 360.  Are you seriously suggesting that no Western JRPG fans have bought a 360 for a combination of these games? 



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starcraft on 08 March 2008
CaptainPrefrences said:
starcraft said:
Torillian said:
So are you counting Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea III as SRPG's and not RPG's. That seems like a strange idea to me.

On the other hand you could be debating their quality....which I would like to hear if possible. Regardless the rest of your post seems plausible.

added after a thought: I enjoyed Folklore alot....so I disagree in no "good" RPG's being on the PS3 now.

My apologies, I forgot about Valkyrie Chronicles and Disgaea. They should be of reasonable quality. I also forgot the Xbox 360 exclusive Tales. I still think in numbers and quality the Xbox 360's RPG outfit rips the PS3's a new one. That will continue until after FFXIII. About a year after that title the PS3 wil start to get a number of JRPG's from development houses waiting for FFXIII to expand to consoles JRPG userbase.

I'm sorry but the quality of Folklore just isn't comparable to Mass Effect, Two Worlds, Lost Odyssey, Blue Dragon, Eternal Sonata or Lair:)


eternal sonata, two worlds. did those games even sell 500k? sum1 o check for me cuase my comp is way to damn slow.

 

blue dragon? i thought that game only sold in japan. you also mention 360 racers will always be better than ps3. pgr4. thats your best example of a 360 racer? what a joke. that game sucked, and i dont think anyone would disagree with me. forza is your best hope at racing game


PGR4 is around 86 and PGR3 around 89 on gamerankings....

Is that "sucking" to you?

Right now there is no competition between the 360 and PS3 on racers, the 360 takes the cake.  After Gt5 (the game not the demo) it will be much closer, but to say that the 360 can't hold it's own is ridiculous.  You should expect to see Forza 3 about 6 months after GT5 (which wont make it out this year). 



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starcraft on 08 March 2008
CaptainPrefrences said:
 

dude. u have common sense? ps2 ownwers will not upgrade to a 360 just because of a multi platform game like gtaiv. think of it. gta iv is also on ps3. ps3 is a ps and sony console. obviously ps2 ownwers will upgrade to another ps console which they have games and controllers etc that they are more familier with. the only thing the 360 gta iv has is dlc, which is coming out way way after the launch of gta iv. im also predicting the dlc will take out a big chunk of your ms points. most people play gta iv to finish the game once and go around a shoot up 5-0.

 

mgs4 will sell over 3 million. a ww release date of 1.5 million will start it off and by the end of the year 4.5 million.


I think he has a lot of common sense.  You realize not everyone is as rich as you must be to not care about the fact that the PS3 will have a much higher price for a less than complete GTAIV???

It is well known that the vast majority of PS2 owners didn't purchase a console until it was half the PS3's price, why would they pay much more than they have too for GTAIV?  Especially in the USA where the 360 is far more popular? 



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