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Problems I have with this article:

It completely fails to mention that the PC version of Ground Zeroes released that quarter, compared to probably having nothing but Pro Evo release on PC the same quarter last year.

It also acts as if the PS3 beeing old somehow means that the sales coming from it now are going to suddenly completely go away without being picked by another platform, while in actuality the majority of people should know that most of those sales are going to transition to the PS4.

What I find interesting:

That it says that Silent Hills is listed as a PS4 exclusive, cause as far as I know the game is not listed for any platform at all.



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DerNebel said:
Problems I have with this article:

It completely fails to mention that the PC version of Ground Zeroes released that quarter, compared to probably having nothing but Pro Evo release on PC the same quarter last year.

It also acts as if the PS3 beeing old somehow means that the sales coming from it now are going to suddenly completely go away without being picked by another platform, while in actuality the majority of people should know that most of those sales are going to transition to the PS4.

What I find interesting:

That it says that Silent Hills is listed as a PS4 exclusive, cause as far as I know the game is not listed for any platform at all.

First answer to your question of the problem in which you have; http://lmgtfy.com/?q=konami+pc+sales

I'd like to ask would you say the same for 360?, sales drop off at some point unless you want to sell me PS2 games are still at an all high still selling point at this very moment?, PS3/360 will be dicontinued not long from now and sales will drop.

So far the wiki is telling me that PT is in fact Silent Hills which only has PS4 listed: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hills ,so yeah it would be nice of Konami put Silent Hills on PC, more sales for them and more money basically.



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Chazore said:
Ka-pi96 said:
 

Yeah, I could see them doing pretty much what Nintendo are doing. Nintendo focus on gaming and have always done well with that. Sony are slimming down are lot and gaming is becoming a bigger focus for them all the time. The market may well shrink, but there will always be a demand for consoles and with what Sony have done so far they seem to be in a position where they don't even need to do anything special. Just don't screw it up and they'll sell enough consoles.


The reason I find it very illogical though is ebcause they've failed in many places, nearly all at the same time and have had to retreat, other companies are taking what they shed and taking more ground, having less ground does not mean you will last forever, Nintendo started with elss to begin with and had actual experience with age along with money.

Don't forget the PS3 was sold at a loss for quite some years with Sony, take into account they had to let go of two primary HQ's, just because we're seeing this new first ever time Nintendo move of Sony doesn't auto gurantee they will last out forever, numbers, history and trends will tell us otherwise but I just don't see it worked out so well for them, they've had to sell and lose so much and gaining so little won't help with longevity, look at the PC market for example, Steam alone has 100 million users and shows absolutely no sign of stopping, each new console gen has users dropping in and out and always will but it won't climb higher than what PC has in terms of output.

It makes more sense for Sony to eventually go mobile/streaming/third party or even 2nd party than trying to sink money into closed ahrdware time after time, there will come a time where PC knowledge will become more profficient and more adopted than a console that's trying to be a PC, that's why I agreed with okr because it will happen based on technology advancing and becoming more open, closed hardware that stays behind the trend cannot keep up forever, I'm not exaclty an optomist but when it comes to things like tech and markets I'm heavy on with things changing and consoles will be the ones changing within at least 20-40 years at best.

Whats the problem with closed systems? PS4 is cheaper than pc, the ps4 cost you as much as a decent graphicscard on pc, 400$. Imagine if sony drops the price to 300$. Sony just needs to play it right, releasing a consoles every 5 years with backwards compability. People simple buy a new console just like they would buy a new graphicscard at that price level. Many people are confused by the last consoles who hold more than 5 years and no backwards compaibility. But with x86 this will be a different story and it will easily be to devolope without any research like they did with the ps3cell engine.

 

- sony music, pictures and gaming devisions all make money.It makes sense for them to think about entertaiment first. Thats why playstation will be always important.

- steam has 100 million users so why are next gen ports based all around the console versions? from these 100 users only 8 million are online all the time, its less than people are willing to buy a wiiu. Thats a free program necessarry to run to play steam games vs a 270$ console.



Chazore said:
Ruler said:

Open trend? controlled by Mircrosofts directX and valves platform? All US monopolies. PC isnt as open as people think

 

without consoles you wouldnt see games like bayonetta 2, bloodborne or the last of us who were all funded by console manufactors. Look what happened to segas IPs and sponsored IPs if you want that in a massive scale.

You forget there being AMD, that Mac and Linux exist, that Vale is creating their own OS based on being as open as possible, being completely free..just like Linux..

It amazes me how you don't look at how Sony and anyone else monopolises games, you make it sound especially like Sony are the rgeatest saints to gaming and we should all be rgeatful for what they bought or own and restrict to who it sells to...

You also forget games funded on PC's that are actually successful and wouldn't have been possible on consoles either, that and ones that are funded by PC players and eventually get to grace consoles to which console only users love to add to the list of "exclusive" indie games in their list warz.

You still didn't asnwer my question to you in the other thread, why is that?, no need to ask where, you were in that thread.

Linux, steamOS and macs are created for what? competing with windows? yet whats the point if they dont have exklusives? All i see is less games than windows. They are also all US-american choices so whats the even more the difference? The only other choice is the ps4 and wiiu who are japanese.

These funded indie games are sure not funded by the sole reason to be pc-exclusives by either devolopers and backers, if the indie devolopers would have the choice they would like to release their games on all platforms. Thats why these games ussually start with pc but extend their goal consoles if more money is donated.

I see sony differently, like i said they funded a lot of games, games who wouldnt exist without their money. Whats so hard to understand? and gaming was always owned by a monopoly, look at the first gaming device made by ralph bear, all games were by the same company. Thats how gaming started in the first place.

-what thread you mean?



Ruler said:

Whats the problem with closed systems? PS4 is cheaper than pc, the ps4 cost you as much as a decent graphicscard on pc, 400$. Imagine if sony drops the price to 300$. Sony just needs to play it right, releasing a consoles every 5 years with backwards compability. People simple buy a new console just like they would buy a new graphicscard at that price level. Many people are confused by the last consoles who hold more than 5 years and no backwards compaibility. But with x86 this will be a different story and it will easily be to devolope without any research like they did with the ps3cell engine.

 

- sony music, pictures and gaming devisions all make money.It makes sense for them to think about entertaiment first. Thats why playstation will be always important.

- steam has 100 million users so why are next gen ports based all around the console versions? from these 100 users only 8 million are online all the time, its less than people are willing to buy a wiiu. Thats a free program necessarry to run to play steam games vs a 270$ console.

The problem with closed systems is that they limit how far they can go in terms of graphic capabilities and other feats that PC can do with open software/hardware, you cannot modify your PS4 to play games higher than it's threshhold and thus sacrifices have to be made like either 1080p or 60fps, on PC you don't always ened to sacrifice, you have the choices of the hardware that can run both or fine tune your sliders to get what you can enjoy, on PS4 you are told and given what Sony say, what Sony says does not automatically mean we should all agree with it, some gamers don't like games being stuck at 30fps or being sub 1080p, not every single console owner automiatcally rpefers 30fps sub 1080p (no need to pull the opposite to counteract as that's already been done before).

PC's have been using that archetexture for years, consoles not using it and being closed made porting difficult, none of the fault was on PC's, especially since you need those to make games in the first place.

Yes indeed they do make money but their other devisions were also renounded to having made nice chunks of money as well, losing ground and cutting your losses is soemthing you brought upon yoruself, it's no oine esle's fault, Sony cannoy blame anyone but themselevs for not staving off the competition from beating them in those markets that they now forfeit from, stop trying to spin market loss and withdrawal as the ebst thing, it shows weakness and losing strength, you would say the exact same thing if MS was losing ground, you guys do when you talk about them losing to "the gap" and you know what the gap means, we all do so let's not skip around the losing ground bush.

You also realise how Sony came to make the PS right?, it wasn't originally based on "let's make this amazing console for people to own!" right?, just like MS's entrance wasn't all fuzzies either.

- steam has 100 million users so why are next gen ports based all around the console versions? from these 100 users only 8 million are online all the time, its less than people are willing to buy a wiiu. Thats a free program necessarry to run to play steam games vs a 270$ console.

Oh how nice, you actually bothered to check Steam's active users database, sadly though you used it in an attempt to downplay PC and Steam in general so I'm not even going to bother addressing that one, I started this thread with good news on PC and you came in with the brand flag of defense while trying to downplay the platform you left because it was just "too complicated" and "expensive" to you.



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Ruler said:

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Linux, steamOS and macs are created for what? competing with windows? yet whats the point if they dont have exklusives? All i see is less games than windows. They are also all US-american choices so whats the even more the difference? The only other choice is the ps4 and wiiu who are japanese.

These funded indie games are sure not funded by the sole reason to be pc-exclusives by either devolopers and backers, if the indie devolopers would have the choice they would like to release their games on all platforms. Thats why these games ussually start with pc but extend their goal consoles if more money is donated.

I see sony differently, like i said they funded a lot of games, games who wouldnt exist without their money. Whats so hard to understand? and gaming was always owned by a monopoly, look at the first gaming device made by ralph bear, all games were by the same company. Thats how gaming started in the first place.

-what thread you mean?

All the OS's compete with one another, not just windows, that's how you like to see the world, Linux is actually getting games ported to their side and the other side is up to Apple itself, they do get some ports but Apple is more a closed walled garden than the other two, you say they are all US based, well pray tell me where did the big computing boom come from?, did it come from Japan, are Japan massive on PC's as the west?, afaik Japan makes rgeat tech and robotic advancements and crazy games but they don't specialise in making big massively popular OS's and they haven't for decades, you can pull up any Japanese OS you find but it's not worldwide popular like the 3 mentioned above, nowhere near and there's a reason for that is how all 3 reach and are universal in their own right, Japan speaks Japanese first, the 3 OS's can do all the languages packaged for. Tell me about how Japan makes everything else for the world again, like those Japanese only games written in their language that we currently do not have over here.

No they aren't funded to be PC exclusives, when did I say they were funded soley to become PC exclusive?, that's up to the devs to decide that, some don't see consoles as profitable and it's their game to decide which platforms it lands on whilst you cannot say the same for how consoles dabble with exclusives.

You make it sound like all indie devs have guns pointed to their heads though, not every indie game has to be on every platform, I've seen some indies never release from the PC space due to the game not being suited for the console market, last time I checked RTS games and Simulators aren't wildly popular on consoles, if they were where are they at now?.

What's so hard to udnerstand about PC gamers funding and PC companies funding?.

Look up the last few quotations with me in it and you will find the question, I'm not letting you open a new can of worms in this thread that you're already derailing with bringing Sony into a PC dicussion, it's already gotten way off point and it should probably stop here before I have to.



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Ka-pi96 said:
okr said:
Ka-pi96 said:
okr said:
In a few years only Nintendo games will be exclusively on their own systems. The rest will be on PC and the console wars will be a thing of the past.

I think you'll be waiting a very long time for that...

It will happen and it will be fun.

I can see Microsoft going for it sooner rather than later. Not Sony though. PlayStation is becoming essential to them, add that to the fact that they just sold their PC oriented section and it really does look like they are in console for the long haul.

Sony is going to have psnow on pc soon enough. That's their future they've made it clear.



Ruler said:

- steam has 100 million users so why are next gen ports based all around the console versions? from these 100 users only 8 million are online all the time, its less than people are willing to buy a wiiu. Thats a free program necessarry to run to play steam games vs a 270$ console.

And how many concurrent PS4-users are there at max and on average?

And how many concurrent XBO-users are there at max and on average?

And how many concurrent WiiU-users are there at max and on average?

And how many concurrent PS3-users are there at max and on average?

And how many concurrent 360-users are there at max and on average?



Last I checked, this was a thread about PC Sales. The OP has kindly asked for people to return on topic to discuss this, so let's do that. Things are getting a bit heated and off-topic but that stops here, thanks.



 

Here lies the dearly departed Nintendomination Thread.

That's pretty good. They should probably keep silent hill exclusive though since while this will increase their total sales I am sure it will not help to increase the percentage of market share the Ps4 has in total game sales for Konami, which frankly would be a better investment ( $60 vs $40-50 + greater decline ).

Off Topic I know but I was pleasently surprised to see that the Ps2 made 2℅ if unit sales.



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