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Mummelmann said:
LurkerJ said:

Oh wow.iPhone 6 is on top of all those benchmakrs except for ONE. Here is your initial statement: "you'll see that the iPhone more often than not underperforms compared to price (fans will then cite the "amazing quality and great design is what makes it worth it")." That a silly thing to say

Please stop. Apple does have the largest market share in the market they competing in. The PREMIUM market. 


I'm sorry that my viewpoint that Apple products are overrated and overpriced offends you (you'll also note that the iPhone 6 is by far the most expensive phone in those teste and that my statement was specifically "underperforms compared to price"), I will obey your command and stop with my nonsense.

LOL. Pity you had to resort to sarcasm when faced with FACTS. But I guess it's better than your needlessly long posts.

I am sorry Apple's success is offending you



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Mummelmann said:
WorldBreakerHulk said:


Actually, iphone 6 is outbenchmarking the samsung s5 despite the s5 higher spec https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=v6d7Fes-eHA. Same result between the 5s and s4. The iphone 6 plus is also outbenchmarking the the note 4 in graphics and and single core bench mark although this time the samsung note 4 wins in multicore benchmark. https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oPXHbvAmiUw

http://bgr.com/2014/10/02/iphone-6-plus-vs-galaxy-note-4-5/

well the android is outselling the ios because the ios is exclusive to the iphone line. Heck in the philippines there are alot of samsung model ranging from the cheaper model like the duos  all the way to the top of the line note 4.  And that is from samsung alone, bring in the nexus and all the android who has both phones for the low end and highend market versus the iphone which has only the has the high end market. its not a surprise the android has more users.

And this are all coming from a previous note 3 user.

https://m.flickr.com/#/photos/44322823@N07/16414997312/


There are more phones than the Samsung Galaxy s5; take a look at this, for instance:

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/mobile-phone/3573459/xperia-z3-vs-iphone-6-smartphone-comparison/

http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/test-centre/mobile-phone/3515533/whats-fastest-smartphone-2015-uk/

Look at the multicore benchmark scores on the second one and the nod to the superior build quality and display in the first one (as well as the overall victory).

I know perfectly well that iOS is exclusive to the iPhone line and that Android is, in essence, a 3rd party OS that leases its services to several manufacturers, I think you missed my point entirely here; my point was that 86.6% of the global smartphone market seem to think that Android is the better alternative, why do they not choose the superior product that is not overpriced and performs better compared to the competition, according to its fans? Or is it that the 12.3% are just a lot smarter as consumers? Is the majority of the market simply dense?
Why does Apple have higher profit margins than other manufacturers from retail distribution? Doesn't quality cost more to build? Their OS' are basically free, what is driving up the costs then? The development and maintenance of the OS is obviously not an issue since they're making such enormous profits, as mentioned (and iOS is built on ancient framework, which is part of the reason why they've experienced some issues with introducing certain features and also probably why they can afford to offer it for free across their product lines).

Like I said; you missed my point, if iOS and Apple products were superior, fairly priced products, they would surely have a larger marketshare; it's not like Apple has lacked ambition since they launched the first iPhone (or before that, for that matter).

Hats off to Apple for what they're doing; they are master salesmen, Steve Jobs was terrific at his job but he was not a tech-wiz or master innovator, he was a purebred marketing genius. The genius in Apple does not lie in superior products, innovation or even streamlining any more; it lies in the ability to build hype and inflate the perceived value through instilling a hip image with their products.

None of that changes the fact that many, if not most, consider their products to be overpriced and their unfair and anti-consumer and anti-developer policies are not good for any of us, regardless of the user satisfaction of product owners.

PS: I have a Xperia Z1, it's a decent phone. I've tried several others as well, I don't really enjoy any smartphone as I am simply not that interested in smart devices since they have very limited appeal and use to me in everyday life (I don't use services like Instagram or snapchat, I rarely surf even on the subway, and I don't use it for music or movies either). My GF has an iPhone 5, already repaired it twice in about a year and she's downloaded two large updates that caused crashes and problems. Anecdotal, of course, and I also find the interface to be lacking on her phone. I think ideally; I should get a Windows phone since I'm one of those crazy people who like their UI's...

I am only answering your 

""The only thing I'm wondering is where you're getting the idea that Apple products "consistently outperform" others; this is surely not so, the only things they consistently "win" are design showdowns"""

statement.

Even in the links you provided

Geekbench 3 scores (single-core):

Apple iPhone 6: 1569

iPhone 5s: 1409

Motorola Moto X 2014: 998

HTC Desire Eye (running KitKat): 983

OnePlus One: 969

HTC One M8: 962

Sony Xperia Z2: 933

Samsung Galaxy S5: 926

Google Nexus 5: 918

Sony Xperia Z1: 912

Sony Xperia Z Ultra: 908

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom: 871

LG G Flex: 857

LG G2: 848

BlackBerry Passport: 780

Apple iPhone 5: [correction] 721

Asus Zenfone 6: 553

Asus Zenfone 5: 467

UMI Zero: 445

HTC Desire 816: 439

Samsung Galaxy S5 mini: 372

ALDI Medion Life P4502: 356

ZTE Blade L2: 356

Motorola Moto G 2014: 340

EE Kestrel: 339

Asus Zenfone 4: 338

Motorola Moto G: 334

Acer Liquid E3: 328

Sony Xperia M2: 316

ZTE Blade V: 213

Samsung Galaxy Fame: 197

The iphone 6 is head and shoulder above any smartphone in single core benchmark and 

Geekbench 3 scores (multi-core):

Google Nexus 6: 3304

Samsung Galaxy Note 4: 3272

Samsung Galaxy Alpha: 3184

Huawei Honor 6: 3103

HTC Desire Eye (running KitKat): 3009

Motorola Moto X 2014: 2975

iPhone 6 Plus: 2917

Samsung Galaxy S5: 2869

Sony Xperia Z1: 2822

Sony Xperia Z3: 2805

Google Nexus 5: 2800

Sony Xperia Z3 Compact: 2800

Sony Xperia Z2: 2796

Apple iPhone 6: 2794

YotaPhone 2: 2774

HTC One M8: 2761

Sony Xperia Z Ultra: 2708

OnePlus One: 2570

iPhone 5s: 2556

UMI Zero: 2489

LG G3: 2465

BlackBerry Passport: 2457

LG G Flex: 2273

LG G2: 2221

Samsung Galaxy K Zoom: 2140

Huawei Ascend P7: 1870

HTC Desire 816: 1503

HTC Desire 610: 1389

Asus Zenfone 6: 1293

Motorola Moto X: 1262

Honor 3C: 1201

ALDI Medion Life P4502: 1199

ZTE Blade L2: 1191

Landvo L200G: 1189

Acer Liquid Jade: 1188

Samsung Galaxy S5 mini: 1186

LG G2 mini: 1175

Motorola Moto G: 1162

HTC Desire 610: 1161

HTC One mini 2: 1153

EE Kestrel: 1152

Motorola Moto G 2014: 1144

Acer Liquid E3: 1131

Asus Zenfone 5: 1081

Sony Xperia M2: 1076

HTC Desire 500: 826

Asus Zenfone 4: 805

Motorola Moto E: 608

ZTE Kis 3: 599

ZTE Blade V: 552

Samsung Galaxy Fame: 208

and 7th in multicore.

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because again. Apple only has the highend market while other samsung phones have both low and highend.

in the Philippines, iphone is still the most sought after phone but 35,000+(~795usd)php is almost 2months worth of salary for the majority of the people living here thus they buy the cheaper models like the samsung duos which only cost around 4,000+php (~90usd).



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LurkerJ said:
walsufnir said:


Of course Ferrari doesn't. But they actually offer something that is indeed more valuable which is the difference. 

That's because you are not educated enough, just like Mummelmann. Stop preaching you both.

You want the best Camera on a phone? iPhone. 

http://www.dxomark.com/Phones/Apple-iPhone-6-and-6-Plus-review-Bigger-and-better.-Apple-set-gold-standard-for-smartphone-image-quality

Here, coming from an android fan (jump to 4:40) : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f6pPIG3EvAs

You want the best smartphone for gaming? iPhone. I don't need a linkt to prove this one.

You want the phone with guaranteed long term support? iPhone. 

http://www.cnet.com/news/lollipop-nibbles-off-1-6-percent-of-android-devices/

You want the phone with the best control options over your personal data? iPhone 

Best benchmarks on a phone? (who buys a phone based on benchmarks anyway but w/e)

http://www.idownloadblog.com/2014/09/22/iphone-6-performance-benchmarks/

You want the phone with best applications support? iPhone

Other categories that I am omitting are more of a personal preference. So no need to go on.

Apple products are not for you, cool! Until recently, before the introduction of third party keyboards on iOS, Apple products wasn't for me either. But I could easily understand why Apple is selling millions of them.

I don't get why people like you or Mummelmann are baffled with the iPhone success. It's easy: it's a really good phone.


Best camera on a phone? Don't care anyway. Every camera above 80 euros is better than anything on any phone anyway.

Gaming? I don't game on a phone.

Guaranteed long term support? Thanks, I have a Nexus 4. Even if Google drops support, I will get newer software releases.

Control over personal data? What would that mean or be?

Benchmarks? On a phone? Either phone feels snappy or doesn't, no need for benchmarks to prove my phone is fast enough for my use-cases.

Best application support... Well, besides games, I don't see what one might missing but ok. I guess there are still the most apps on iOS, right?

Yes, the iPhone is a good phone but still I don't see why I should get one instead of any other phone. In fact I am even not sure if someday I won't buy a blackberry (android app compatibity) or Windows Phone (as a secondary, that is). And it's a shame that no Apple phone is capable of dual-sim, in my opinion. If you want or need dual-sim you can't buy anything from Apple (excluding 3rd party adapters).



They deserve it IMO. I've been using their products for a while now and the user experience they provide is worth the money : )



walsufnir said:

Best camera on a phone? Don't care anyway. Every camera above 80 euros is better than anything on any phone anyway.

You don't care. Many others do. The comfort and protability of the smartphone camera beats any stand alone camera.

Gaming? I don't game on a phone.

You don't care. Many others do as evident by the App store charts. Games are always on top.

Guaranteed long term support? Thanks, I have a Nexus 4. Even if Google drops support, I will get newer software releases.

and I had a nexus 5. Outside of nexuses devices and goolge play edition phones , long term support isn't guaranteed.

Control over personal data? What would that mean or be?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6955281

Benchmarks? On a phone? Either phone feels snappy or doesn't, no need for benchmarks to prove my phone is fast enough for my use-cases.

Agreed

Best application support... Well, besides games, I don't see what one might missing but ok. I guess there are still the most apps on iOS, right?

Not just the most apps. But better supported apps that are frequently updated because iOS userbase isn't fragmented.

Yes, the iPhone is a good phone but still I don't see why I should get one instead of any other phone. In fact I am even not sure if someday I won't buy a blackberry (android app compatibity) or Windows Phone (as a secondary, that is). And it's a shame that no Apple phone is capable of dual-sim, in my opinion. If you want or need dual-sim you can't buy anything from Apple (excluding 3rd party adapters).

True, iPhone isn't the place for people who wants dual sim.

I get it. You don't want an iPhone. I didn't want either until recently. The world doesn't revolve around me. I was happy with my Nexus 5, I am happy with my iPhone 6. I completely understand why people are buying them in bulks. It's not hard to get. Let's just drop it here. I am tired of repeating myself.

In a more interesting topic, mid ranger phones are rising in popularity and quality, can we talk about that instead?

Soon enough they will be good enough for most people. Apple will have to engage in the mid range war sooner than later. Miscrosoft is the best candidate to win the mid-range war imo. Look up the Lumia 730, fantastic phone for a fantastic price. Thanks to Qualcomm new, cheap but excellent processors. 2015 and 2016 will be interesting to watch. Despite Apple's fantastic numbers, the premium market will start shrinking and mid range phones will be the next game changer.

In another mroe interesting topic. Mobile processors are advancing very fast. It will be interesting to see if they progress fast enough to threaten Intel's leadership. Look up apple's a8x processor that's powering the iPad air 2. Fantastic perfomance with fantastically effcient energy consumption. I can't wait to see what the A9X will be capable of!



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aLkaLiNE said:
I'd give them congrats if they were doing anything good for the industry.  


It's in large part, beause of them that everyone is walking around with a little computer in their pockets. They're the ones who popularized smartphones. Even Android fans have Apple to thank for their moble OS of choice.

 

I'd say that is worthy of a congrats. 



LurkerJ said:
walsufnir said:

Best camera on a phone? Don't care anyway. Every camera above 80 euros is better than anything on any phone anyway.

You don't care. Many others do. The comfort and protability of the smartphone camera beats any stand alone camera.

Gaming? I don't game on a phone.

You don't care. Many others do as evident by the App store charts. Games are always on top.

Guaranteed long term support? Thanks, I have a Nexus 4. Even if Google drops support, I will get newer software releases.

and I had a nexus 5. Outside of nexuses devices and goolge play edition phones , long term support isn't guaranteed.

Control over personal data? What would that mean or be?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6955281

Benchmarks? On a phone? Either phone feels snappy or doesn't, no need for benchmarks to prove my phone is fast enough for my use-cases.

Agreed

Best application support... Well, besides games, I don't see what one might missing but ok. I guess there are still the most apps on iOS, right?

Not just the most apps. But better supported apps that are frequently updated because iOS userbase isn't fragmented.

Yes, the iPhone is a good phone but still I don't see why I should get one instead of any other phone. In fact I am even not sure if someday I won't buy a blackberry (android app compatibity) or Windows Phone (as a secondary, that is). And it's a shame that no Apple phone is capable of dual-sim, in my opinion. If you want or need dual-sim you can't buy anything from Apple (excluding 3rd party adapters).

True, iPhone isn't the place for people who wants dual sim.

I get it. You don't want an iPhone. I didn't want either until recently. The world doesn't revolve around me. I was happy with my Nexus 5, I am happy with my iPhone 6. I completely understand why people are buying them in bulks. It's not hard to get. Let's just drop it here. I am tired of repeating myself.

In a more interesting topic, mid ranger phones are rising in popularity and quality, can we talk about that instead?

Soon enough they will be good enough for most people. Apple will have to engage in the mid range war sooner than later. Miscrosoft is the best candidate to win the mid-range war imo. Look up the Lumia 730, fantastic phone for a fantastic price. Thanks to Qualcomm new, cheap but excellent processors. 2015 and 2016 will be interesting to watch. Despite Apple's fantastic numbers, the premium market will start shrinking and mid range phones will be the next game changer.

In another mroe interesting topic. Mobile processors are advancing very fast. It will be interesting to see if they progress fast enough to threaten Intel's leadership. Look up apple's a8x processor that's powering the iPad air 2. Fantastic perfomance with fantastically effcient energy consumption. I can't wait to see what the A9X will be capable of!


Nice edit, before it ended at Intel's leadership and I will reply to that: No, they won't. If you want performance, go Intel. Mobile processors will have to go a long way to get where CPUs are now with pure power. But the advantage of ARM is that the chips are accompanied by dedicated silicon for special purposes, fixed function units.

Energy efficiency is of course a different topic.



LurkerJ said:
walsufnir said:

Best camera on a phone? Don't care anyway. Every camera above 80 euros is better than anything on any phone anyway.

You don't care. Many others do. The comfort and protability of the smartphone camera beats any stand alone camera.

Gaming? I don't game on a phone.

You don't care. Many others do as evident by the App store charts. Games are always on top.

Guaranteed long term support? Thanks, I have a Nexus 4. Even if Google drops support, I will get newer software releases.

and I had a nexus 5. Outside of nexuses devices and goolge play edition phones , long term support isn't guaranteed.

Control over personal data? What would that mean or be?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=6955281

Benchmarks? On a phone? Either phone feels snappy or doesn't, no need for benchmarks to prove my phone is fast enough for my use-cases.

Agreed

Best application support... Well, besides games, I don't see what one might missing but ok. I guess there are still the most apps on iOS, right?

Not just the most apps. But better supported apps that are frequently updated because iOS userbase isn't fragmented.

Yes, the iPhone is a good phone but still I don't see why I should get one instead of any other phone. In fact I am even not sure if someday I won't buy a blackberry (android app compatibity) or Windows Phone (as a secondary, that is). And it's a shame that no Apple phone is capable of dual-sim, in my opinion. If you want or need dual-sim you can't buy anything from Apple (excluding 3rd party adapters).

True, iPhone isn't the place for people who wants dual sim.

I get it. You don't want an iPhone. I didn't want either until recently. The world doesn't revolve around me. I was happy with my Nexus 5, I am happy with my iPhone 6. I completely understand why people are buying them in bulks. It's not hard to get. Let's just drop it here. I am tired of repeating myself.

In a more interesting topic, mid ranger phones are rising in popularity and quality, can we talk about that instead?

Soon enough they will be good enough for most people. Apple will have to engage in the mid range war sooner than later. Miscrosoft is the best candidate to win the mid-range war imo. Look up the Lumia 730, fantastic phone for a fantastic price. Thanks to Qualcomm new, cheap but excellent processors. 2015 and 2016 will be interesting to watch. Despite Apple's fantastic numbers, the premium market will start shrinking and mid range phones will be the next game changer.

In another mroe interesting topic. Mobile processors are advancing very fast. It will be interesting to see if they progress fast enough to threaten Intel's leadership. Look up apple's a8x processor that's powering the iPad air 2. Fantastic perfomance with fantastically effcient energy consumption. I can't wait to see what the A9X will be capable of!


None of these things REALLY matter, the iPhone is the 'in' product. The reason why everyone and their mother has an iPhone isn't because they check out the benchmarks, or compared other camera's in low level lighting (Z1/2/3 and S4/5 are the best smartphone camera's I've seen) or care about app data privacy etc. They are bought because they look pretty (design of the phone and UI) and are popular. Lets keep it real, even if it was a tiny bit faster than the 5s but looked the same as the 6 and 6+ do it would've sold pretty much the same.



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walsufnir said:
LurkerJ said:

I get it. You don't want an iPhone. I didn't want either until recently. The world doesn't revolve around me. I was happy with my Nexus 5, I am happy with my iPhone 6. I completely understand why people are buying them in bulks. It's not hard to get. Let's just drop it here. I am tired of repeating myself.

In a more interesting topic, mid ranger phones are rising in popularity and quality, can we talk about that instead?

Soon enough they will be good enough for most people. Apple will have to engage in the mid range war sooner than later. Miscrosoft is the best candidate to win the mid-range war imo. Look up the Lumia 730, fantastic phone for a fantastic price. Thanks to Qualcomm new, cheap but excellent processors. 2015 and 2016 will be interesting to watch. Despite Apple's fantastic numbers, the premium market will start shrinking and mid range phones will be the next game changer.

In another mroe interesting topic. Mobile processors are advancing very fast. It will be interesting to see if they progress fast enough to threaten Intel's leadership. Look up apple's a8x processor that's powering the iPad air 2. Fantastic perfomance with fantastically effcient energy consumption. I can't wait to see what the A9X will be capable of!


Nice edit, before it ended at Intel's leadership and I will reply to that: No, they won't. If you want performance, go Intel. Mobile processors will have to go a long way to get where CPUs are now with pure power. But the advantage of ARM is that the chips are accompanied by dedicated silicon for special purposes, fixed function units.

Energy efficiency is of course a different topic.

I wanted to give an example to make my post more entertaining. It's not like edited something embarrassing out  Intel is making huge investments to make their processors more power efficient too. I am not talking their leadership in the high end market. I am talking about the cheap or mid range laptops manufacturers that may want to make the switch to qualcomm processors for example when they become powerful enough. Which doesn't seem that far. Intel will have new powerful competitors eventually, and that's exciting!



Not surprised. What phone ads have I seen? Iphone, Iphone, Iphone, Iphone, Samsung Galaxy.

Sounds about right. Never seen a Sony or MS phone ad.