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IFireflyl on 30 January 2015
GribbleGrunger said:
IFireflyl said:

I am not claiming to be an expert. I'm just saying the only definition that I found for hack-and-slash seems to fit this type of gameplay. This looks like a (better) variation of Diablo to me, and that was considered a hack-and-slash type game. This game also seems to have the Devil May Cry 4 feel to the battle system, and you defined that as a hack-and-slash game. I'm not sure why you're being so defensive. I'm not attacking you. I'm just saying the information I am finding would say this game would be considered a hack-and-slash game. If you don't agree, you don't agree.

But it's not considered a hack and slash game. I really have no idea where you are getting that from. It's considered an RPG or an ARPG. Demon's Souls was an RPG, as was Dark Souls. You can't redefine the genre just because you replace a shield with a gun.

Giant Bomb Demon's Soul Overview

Its gameplay is largely hack and slash-oriented, though it requires levels of strategy, thoughtfulness, and precise use of a stamina meter that are not common in the genre.

You can have hack-and-slash gameplay while still requiring strategy, and using a stamina bar.



 

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Frogger on 30 January 2015
IFireflyl said:

Dude, calm down. He didn't say that Diablo isn't a dungeon crawler. He just said that it is a hack-and-slash dungeon crawler. Everyone knows this.


OOOOOH. That's what he meant! Diablo; the hack-and-slash dungeon crawler! Diablo was both the whole time, clearly. Well duh. Everyone knows this, clearly. Sorry for the confusion then. My bad.



IFireflyl on 30 January 2015
spemanig said:
IFireflyl said:

Dude, calm down. He didn't say that Diablo isn't a dungeon crawler. He just said that it is a hack-and-slash dungeon crawler. Everyone knows this.


OOOOOH. That's what he meant! Diablo; the hack-and-slash dungeon crawler! Diablo was both the whole time, clearly. Well duh. Everyone knows this, clearly. Sorry for the confusion then. My bad.

I am sorry that we don't see eye-to-eye, and that this is apparently causing you to be angry/stressed/whatever. Your sarcasm is noted. Have a good day sir. Anywho, back on topic... I really want to give this game a shot. It looks interesting.



 

Frogger on 30 January 2015
Anfebious said:

I can detect your sarcasm and it stings like a bee to my balls.

If you think Diablo birthed the dungeon crawler "genre" then you are very misinformed, games like Wizardry or Bard's Tale did. Diablo is a point and click RPG.

So yeah, you have nothing.


Sometimes, we have to know when to just step away. Again, you've won. See ya.



Anfebious on 30 January 2015
IFireflyl said:
spemanig said:


OOOOOH. That's what he meant! Diablo; the hack-and-slash dungeon crawler! Diablo was both the whole time, clearly. Well duh. Everyone knows this, clearly. Sorry for the confusion then. My bad.

I am sorry that we don't see eye-to-eye, and that this is apparently causing you to be angry/stressed/whatever. Your sarcasm is noted. Have a good day sir. Anywho, back on topic... I really want to give this game a shot. It looks interesting.

You could play the souls game first. Wait let me correct myself... you MUST.

As for Spermanig, I say you leave him be. He already showed you who is boss so quietly leave in peace.



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Anfebious on 30 January 2015
spemanig said:
Anfebious said:

I can detect your sarcasm and it stings like a bee to my balls.

If you think Diablo birthed the dungeon crawler "genre" then you are very misinformed, games like Wizardry or Bard's Tale did. Diablo is a point and click RPG.

So yeah, you have nothing.

Sometimes, we have to know when to just step away. Again, you've won. See ya.

 

I have won an internet argument, my badassery is up 3 points! I am one step closer to being like you senpai!



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kitler53 on 30 January 2015
Anfebious said:
spemanig said:
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DIABLO IS A DUNGEON CRAWLER. IT IS NOT A HACK AND SLASH game.

I'm done. I can't. If seven examples with definitive glaring similarities to each other, not at all present in Bloodborn isn't proof enough, nothing is. 

"This game also seems to have the Devil May Cry 4 feel to the battle system"

No, it absolutely does not. They are completely different. Even Punch Out is a more apt example of the combat system in Bloodborn than Devil May Cry. The combat system in Devil May Cry's, and all of the hack-n-slash games I mentioned, is focused on chaining combos, flashy moves, and arcade-like gameplay. They have combat mechanics inspired by fighting games, and the entire purpose of those games is to make the combat feel as deep, complex, and cathardic as possible.

NOTHING like that is in Bloodborne. The combat isn't the point; it's the tool. Your warped definition of "hack n slash" literally includes any game with combat in it. Hack n Slash games are akin to fighting games in function and execution, only it's focused on single player while fighting games focus on multiplayer. If Devil May Cry is Street Fighter 2's story mode, Bloodborne is Zelda 2. You're figuratively calling Bloodborne a fighting game. That's literally how completely innacurate calling Bloodborne a hack-n-slash is. Do you get that?

It's not something you do or don't "agree" on. Catagorization isn't an opinion. There are objective functions at play here. I'm not being defensive. I just hate when people miscatagorize things.

Dude Diablo is a point and click game.


only on PC,.. that's why i like consoles so much.

on consoles diablo is an action rpg but on pc it is a point and click game.  on consoles CoD is an fps but on pc it is apoint and click game.  on consoles gta is a 3rd person shooter but on pc it is a point and click game.   i dunno how pc gamers manage to do it,..



Anfebious on 30 January 2015
Anfebious said:


only on PC,.. that's why i like consoles so much.

on consoles diablo is an action rpg but on pc it is a point and click game.  on consoles CoD is an fps but on pc it is apoint and click game.  on consoles gta is a 3rd person shooter but on pc it is a point and click game.   i dunno how pc gamers manage to do it,..

You just proved console gaming is superior to PC gaming by using one of my posts. I'm not sure how to feel about that...

So I'll just pretend I was the one who said that. There.



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veritaz on 30 January 2015
IFireflyl said:

GribbleGrunger said:

 But it's not considered a hack and slash game. I really have no idea where you are getting that from. It's considered an RPG or an ARPG. Demon's Souls was an RPG, as was Dark Souls. You can't redefine the genre just because you replace a shield with a gun.

 

Giant Bomb Demon's Soul Overview

Its gameplay is largely hack and slash-oriented, though it requires levels of strategy, thoughtfulness, and precise use of a stamina meter that are not common in the genre.

You can have hack-and-slash gameplay while still requiring strategy, and using a stamina bar.

You're pretty much saying most action adventure games or rpg are hack n slash. Zelda and Elder Scrolls are never considered hack n slash because that title is only reserved for actual hack n slash games like DMC, God of War, Metal Gear rising, Bayonetta. The whole point of this crazy discussion is because you called it a hack n slash kind of game instead of an action rpg which it actually is. 



Lafiel on 30 January 2015
Anfebious said:

Isn't Bloodborne a Dark Souls successor? Those where hack and slash role playing games. I wouldn't define Dungeon Crawling as a genre, just a mere aspect of a videogame, otherwise we would have to define a Zelda game as an action adventure dungeon crawler game. Seems like a complicated way to define a game.

from my perspective calling Souls games "hack and slash" is the same as calling Mario games RPGs, because "you are playing a role"